stevie or souness who's the best?

[Darth Marty]

Some good points in that last post, none more so than
"I'm under the impression that there were a few other players on the same level or near to the level as Souness in the team he played in, if that was the case with Gerrard, and there were a few other players just as good, would he be rated as highly?"

Great point and yes there were, so really that makes Souness stand out even more....

[Fivex]

4. I'm under the impression that there were a few other players on the same level or near to the level as Souness in the team he played in, if that was the case with Gerrard, and there were a few other players just as good, would he be rated as highly?

Too young myself to have seen Souness but from what we know of Stevie, once the bar is raised he seems move up a level and play even better himself.

[rage]

gerrard stands out in a team of great players. souness stood out in a team of legends.

we've gotta win a league or two first for that comparison to make any real sense

[bobbyfallon]

looking at videos of souey he was amazing and a real leader and one heck of a hard man on the field. stevie just needs to win one priemiership and he will be regarded as better than souness . but hey , arent we lucky that we got these two players in their prime playing for us . its just a pity it never worked out for souey as manager, because if he had been half as good a manager as he was a player we would have won no 18 long before now

have i tought you nothing

its 19 - in may. get ****ing in

[kev776]

I think you are all missing the point guys. The current Liverpool team is every bit as good as the team Souness played in, the reason why Souness team won the league was the opposition. The opposition today is much stronger than previously so to say the old teams were better would be cruel on todays team

[ukfootballfan101]

I think you are all missing the point guys. The current Liverpool team is every bit as good as the team Souness played in, the reason why Souness team won the league was the opposition. The opposition today is much stronger than previously so to say the old teams were better would be cruel on todays team

I'm not sure if I agree with that.

The team that won the 1984 european cup final was:-

Grobbelaar

Neal
Hansen
Lawrenson
A. Kennedy

Lee
Johnston
Souness (C)
Whelan

Rush
Dalglish

The team that won the 05 cup final was:-

Dudek

Finnan
Carragher
Hypia
Traore

L. Garcia
Alonso
Gerrard (C)
Riise

Kewel
Baros

The current team is:-

Riena

Arbeloa
Carragher
Skrtel/Agger
Dossena/Auerilo

Kuyt
Gerrard
Mascherano
Reira

Torres
Keane

Which is the strongest team???

[poorscousertommy]

souness never went missing in the big games - you know the ones i mean - stevie hasnt imo performed as well against them as he can / should

but time is on his side and his performance is getting better

He's never scored in any finals has he this Gerrard lad. He hasn't banged them in against Man Utd or Everton either has he?

Fair enough, he may have had a couple of below par games against bigger teams but he has also performed when it really matters on many, many occasions!

I have seen both but was extremley young during Souness's years as a player. I would personally say Gerrard though as I think he is going to be rivalling Dalglish for our best player ever when his career finishes. People will not realise just what he has done for us until he retires. You have to remember the trophies Gerrard has won with Liverpool (almost single handedly at times) in a much inferior side to the teams Souness played in.

Souness was an immense player though.

[kev776]

I'm not sure if I agree with that.

The team that won the 1984 european cup final was:-

Grobbelaar

Neal
Hansen
Lawrenson
A. Kennedy

Lee
Johnston
Souness (C)
Whelan

Rush
Dalglish

The team that won the 05 cup final was:-

Dudek

Finnan
Carragher
Hypia
Traore

L. Garcia
Alonso
Gerrard (C)
Riise

Kewel
Baros

The current team is:-

Riena

Arbeloa
Carragher (as left back)
Skrtel/Agger
Dossena/Auerilo

Kuyt
Gerrard
Mascherano
Reira

Torres
Keane

Which is the strongest team???

Reina

Neal
Hanson
Hyypia
Carra

Souness (C)
Gerrard
Mascher

Kenny
Rush
Torres

[DannyMan2006]

Stevie is the best for me, though whilst they always get compared they were not the same type of player for me. Stevie is far better going forward. Souness was able to control the midfield better.

As for Gerrard being bossed in the big games, their is an obvious answer for this. In a big game he is given less time on the ball and his team mates are not normally up to scratch at being able to recieve a ball to feet. Stevie also obviously does not trust his team mates in the big games and sometimes trys to hard to win the game on his own.

Gerrard has been better this year thanks to marked improvements in the whole team.

Still, I can just imagine Gerrard picking out Dalglish and Rush.......... And the space they would create for him would be incredible. He'd have a field day.

[Elvoz]

I think you are all missing the point guys. The current Liverpool team is every bit as good as the team Souness played in, the reason why Souness team won the league was the opposition. The opposition today is much stronger than previously so to say the old teams were better would be cruel on todays team

no offence but that is possibly the most ridiculous post ever

[Elvoz]

He's never scored in any finals has he this Gerrard lad. He hasn't banged them in against Man Utd or Everton either has he?

Fair enough, he may have had a couple of below par games against bigger teams but he has also performed when it really matters on many, many occasions!

I have seen both but was extremley young during Souness's years as a player. I would personally say Gerrard though as I think he is going to be rivalling Dalglish for our best player ever when his career finishes. People will not realise just what he has done for us until he retires. You have to remember the trophies Gerrard has won with Liverpool (almost single handedly at times) in a much inferior side to the teams Souness played in.

Souness was an immense player though.

yeah ages ago and not a top team so whats your point ?

great reply though

[kev776]

no offence but that is possibly the most ridiculous post ever

Justify your contempt for somebody eles's opinion please.

[Elvoz]

Justify your contempt for somebody eles's opinion please.

souness, team

Winners

1977-78 European Cup
1978-79 League Championship (Level 1)
1979-80 Charity Shield
1979-80 League Championship (Level 1)
1980-81 Charity Shield
1980-81 League Cup
1980-81 European Cup
1981-82 League Cup
1981-82 League Championship (Level 1)
1982-83 Charity Shield
1982-83 League Cup
1982-83 League Championship (Level 1)
1983-84 League Cup
1983-84 League Championship (Level 1)
1983-84 European Cup
Runner up

1977-78 League Championship (Level 1)
1978-79 European Super Cup
1981-82 Intercontinental Cup
1983-84 Charity


stevies team

FA Cup: 2000-01, 2005-06
League Cup: 2000-01, 2002-03
FA Community Shield: 2001-02, 2006-07
UEFA Champions League: 2004-05
UEFA Cup: 2000-01
UEFA Super Cup: 2001-02, 2005-06




so you tell me how they are as good as each other

or bamboozle me that your right

[Infadel]

It can't be a fair comparison - two players from different generations, and the way the game has changed with more diving, more protection given to players, better conditions, more high tech balls and kit nowadays makes it harder to draw comparisons.
I saw Souness regularly and he, like the other great midfielders of his ilk, had a nasty streak in him, they used to say that players like him "could really look after themselves" something that he wouldn't get away with today, consequently he wouldn't be as effective in today's game. Stevie had it when he was younger - sent off in two derby games (remember that "tackle" on Campbell?!), but he has "cooled down", some might say that he's matured, but because of the nature of the modern game he is just as effective.
In my opinion both in the top 3 Greatest Ever Reds midfielders with Emlyn!

[Elvoz]

It can't be a fair comparison - two players from different generations, and the way the game has changed with more diving, more protection given to players, better conditions, more high tech balls and kit nowadays makes it harder to draw comparisons.
I saw Souness regularly and he, like the other great midfielders of his ilk, had a nasty streak in him, they used to say that players like him "could really look after themselves" something that he wouldn't get away with today, consequently he wouldn't be as effective in today's game. Stevie had it when he was younger - sent off in two derby games (remember that "tackle" on Campbell?!), but he has "cooled down", some might say that he's matured, but because of the nature of the modern game he is just as effective.
In my opinion both in the top 3 Greatest Ever Reds midfielders with Emlyn!

people compare maradona with pele eusebio etc

im not holding a gun to ya head mate