PSV 1-3 Liverpool- Post Match

[Fubar]

but at least i'm grade A

hold on don't they have A* now? must try harder

[Whelan5]

Quick question lads, i didn't get to see the game on Tuesday, who took the armband when Carra went off?

[-V-]

Mascher. (Well Carra threw it at him LOL)

[Whelan5]

Mascher. (Well Carra threw it at him LOL)

Thanks, that was brave of Carra

[DannyMan2006]

Mascher. (Well Carra threw it at him LOL)

I would say in order it goes something like this:

Gerrard, Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso, Reina, Mascherano.

[Crazy-Horse]

but at least i'm grade A

hold on don't they have A* now? must try harder

I read this as an admission that you are acting as a WUM.

[slimbimjim]

Mods can't put people on ignore

Yes you can, it's called the Ban button

[Laddsy]

I read this as an admission that you are acting as a WUM.

take the "acting as" out of that and you are spot on

[Neil Young]

I'm not suicidal at our home form, it's a concern but i'm still subscribing to the "we're miles better than most sides who come to anfield so we'll improve it soon enough".

The points in your list however, come across (to me at least) as an example of the kind of mentality that has contributed to this club not contesting the title in nearly 20 years. It's the whole "3rd is pretty good" attitude which has evolved throughout the club over the past 15-20 years and has IMO meant that we've taken on the role of 'brave losers' rather than ruthless winners.

I'm not having a go at you so please dont take this as any kind of personal attack. I just think that whole train of thought, whereby we're saying it's ok not to win or challenge for the title, because we're doing a bit better than our recent failed campaigns, is characteristic of small clubs and those who subscribe to the "it's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part" theory.

Man Utd and Chelsea (in recent years) have a winning mentality, one which tells them that if you win it, you've succeeded and if you dont, you're a failure. One which resents the notion of seeing a 3rd or 4th place finish as 'successful' or even satisfactory.

The only way we'll win the title is by being strict and harsh on ourselves because as soon as you accept the position of also-ran, you cease to participate in the title race.

But I'm not at the club.

All I can do is support the team when I'm at matches and blather on in internet forums about the things I see as important (like retaining a manager who is making progress). Obviously if the team or management approached football in the way I do there'd be a problem but, under this manager at least, they don't so there isn't.

[Neil Young]

It's good that you can do that, it's probably healthier and if i could do the same, i would do. But it's just foreign to me, i cant imagine being able to do that.

Well, I couldn't when I was younger. I've said it before and I'll say it again - it really is only football.

And to anybody who wants to quote back at me Shanks's comment about football being more important than life I say either he was joking/exaggerating for comic effect or he was wrong.

[rage]

I read this as an admission that you are acting as a WUM.

would u rather i turned into internet hardman role and called the lad a cunt?

[Sarb]

Well, I couldn't when I was younger. I've said it before and I'll say it again - it really is only football.

And to anybody who wants to quote back at me Shanks's comment about football being more important than life I say either he was joking/exaggerating for comic effect or he was wrong.

Agreed. More important things in life than football

[BG1973]

Agreed. More important things in life than football

volleyball for one.

[Craig_H]

But I'm not at the club.

All I can do is support the team when I'm at matches and blather on in internet forums about the things I see as important (like retaining a manager who is making progress). Obviously if the team or management approached football in the way I do there'd be a problem but, under this manager at least, they don't so there isn't.

I'm not saying you're at the club and i wasnt blaming you for it either.

I just identified a link between that kind of mentality, and what stops us winning the title. I think the feeling of the fans does rub off onto the mentality of those at the club, in a slow and subtle way.

[Neil Young]

I'm not saying you're at the club and i wasnt blaming you for it either.

I just identified a link between that kind of mentality, and what stops us winning the title. I think the feeling of the fans does rub off onto the mentality of those at the club, in a slow and subtle way.

I wasn't taking offence so don't worry about that.

I really don't agree that what I think affects the mentality at the club. I understand why it might be nice to believe we do but I think we're kidding ourselves. For example, if Rafa hasn't prioritised the title before then it's not because we think it's OK but because he has calculated other things are a better bet, notwithstanding the fans' disappointment.

The only time the fans really affect what happens at the club is when they destabilize it by booing players or the manager, conjuring up a poisonous atmosphere of dissatisfaction on phone-ins, forums, etc. and, most of all of course and much more constructively, by shouting and singing ourselves hoarse at matches.