"Respecting" Weaker Teams (Plus A Bit of Panto)

[Craig_H]

But this is rather pointless statistics! United have a quite appalling away record for a top team but it's not been pointed out. Why? They can equally lose the league mighty soon if they continue this tendency regardless of the fact we're quite average at home because we have got 6 points more.

There will always be a stage during a season when everything won't go perfectly. We've had the rub of the green yes because other teams have dropped points but it can equally be attributed to those teams as well as we didn't capitalize on their cock ups.

This is a strange and really interesting season. Even if we were 9 points clear it wouldn't have reflected the gulf in points, quality wise, compared to our opponents. With us being top at half way point (or nearly), I'm ****ing delighted mate. I'd have eaten your hand if you'd offered me that at the start of the season.

But i agree with you on United. They will be out of it if they lose another couple of away games in the next few weeks. So their away form hasnt been good enough and must improve quickly, if they're to win the league.

Same as our home form. Anyway, you've already agreed with me on the other thread, so i dont think we're worlds apart in our views on home form.

I totally agree about it being a weird season and also that if we'd been 9 clear, it wouldnt reflect the difference in terms of quality. It'd reflect that we'd taken our chances and been clinical, which i think is what will decide the title this season.

[Craig_H]

I do genuinely think it'll be less points to win it this year. The overall quality of the league has improved quite a bit.

While previous records are a guide, it is not the minimum requirement.

I too think that it'll be less, but not by much. Maybe 4 or 5 points?

Previous records are a pretty good guide, not perfect by any means, but they're the most accurate we have to go on, IMO.

[Craig_H]

I ain't telling you anything just generally making a point. I don't think it was too hard to understand that.

Your point was that the frustrations of people on here (me, for example) are likely to come out at the game, resulting in a lack of support. I'm telling you you're wrong because my support doesnt wane, despite frustrations and the same applies to everyone i know who goes to the games on a regular basis. Not hard to understand at all, no.

[Guest]

But i agree with you on United. They will be out of it if they lose another couple of away games in the next few weeks. So their away form hasnt been good enough and must improve quickly, if they're to win the league.

Same as our home form. Anyway, you've already agreed with me on the other thread, so i dont think we're worlds apart in our views on home form.

I totally agree about it being a weird season and also that if we'd been 9 clear, it wouldnt reflect the difference in terms of quality. It'd reflect that we'd taken our chances and been clinical, which i think is what will decide the title this season.

Glad we're not poles apart and that good reasoning prevail in the end.

But still mate, even though we've been quite average in terms of our home form, we're still top and this negates the fact that we could be 'out of it' pretty soon simply because we're top of the league and that we've got more points than every other team.

Surely, our margin of error is larger than theirs. That's basically it. On the other hand if we'd been looking up to them and having a bit of a catching up to do it would have been quite alarming.

[dww]

You dont think previous records are a reasonable guide to what's likely to be required to win the league this season?

Obviously it isnt going to be exactly the same, but fairly close.

Or do you think that 70 points might win it this year?

Last season United won the league winning an average of 2.28 points per game. So far we have won an average of 2.23. Extrapolating that we would finish on 84-85 points compared to 87. I think we could reasonably see that change (or more) in the total number of points needed to win the league.

[Craig_H]

Last season United won the league winning an average of 2.28 points per game. So far we have won an average of 2.23. Extrapolating that we would finish on 84-85 points compared to 87. I think we could reasonably see that change (or more) in the total number of points needed to win the league.

So we're basically more or less on course, according to those stats.

Can i just ask you outright dww, if we finished the league with say 9 home wins and 10 home draws, do you think we'd be likely to win the title? Or even 10 wins and 9 draws.

Obviously it's impossible to know for sure, but what would you guess at?

[Guest]

Your point was that the frustrations of people on here (me, for example) are likely to come out at the game, resulting in a lack of support. I'm telling you you're wrong because my support doesnt wane, despite frustrations and the same applies to everyone i know who goes to the games on a regular basis. Not hard to understand at all, no.

I was never pointing at you dude, just a general reflection of it. If you're telling me that it's a little section of the crowd that boos then I'd take your word for it, no worries.

Fair play for getting your emotions in check within the stadium. But it's pretty painful having to deal with your frustrations in here mate.

[Craig_H]

I was never pointing at you dude, just a general reflection of it. If you're telling me that it's a little section of the crowd that boos then I'd take your word for it, no worries.

Fair play for getting your emotions in check within the stadium. But it's pretty painful having to deal with your frustrations in here mate.

I dont keep my emotions in check in the stadium, they just show themselves in a supportive way, rather than anything else because i recognise why i'm in that stadium.

As for painful, have some Anadin

[Elvoz]

i wont reply individually but basically craig is talking sense and how can people who dont go in the stadium tell those who do how the atmosphere is

anyways passed an hour or two some people i make bang on and i congratulate them on their posts

others i feel are well wide o the mark im afraid and rightly or wrongly you wont change my mind

[dww]

So we're basically more or less on course, according to those stats.

Can i just ask you outright dww, if we finished the league with say 9 home wins and 10 home draws, do you think we'd be likely to win the title? Or even 10 wins and 9 draws.

Obviously it's impossible to know for sure, but what would you guess at?

Um, probably not but then I think it is unlikely that we will finish with 9 home wins and 10 home draws. I've always said that in all likelihood that we will need to improve our home form but that I feel that doing so is well within the capabilities of our team and manager. I don't think we have been doing all that much wrong and at some point I am hopeful we will have Torres back for an extended period which I feel will make a big difference.

I don't think we have played to our full potential this season as yet and we have a record of improving over a season. I can see as many arguments for and against that happening again but while we remain collecting points even during our poor run of form and other teams don't accelerate away from us I see no reason not to be positive about our chances going forwards.

[Guest]

I dont keep my emotions in check in the stadium, they just show themselves in a supportive way, rather than anything else because i recognise why i'm in that stadium.

As for painful, have some Anadin

Well, I guess we all have our frustrations and it spills over in various guises but in the end we're all vying for the good of the team. That's why we tend to argue in circles so many time in here. Some are rather constructive (like me) and some are rather blunt or rash like rage.

You're in the middle but I'd rather argue with you than any of these guys (sarb or rage) who just can't for their life argue with some sort of acceptable level.

[Guest]

i wont reply individually but basically craig is talking sense and how can people who dont go in the stadium tell those who do how the atmosphere is

anyways passed an hour or two some people i make bang on and i congratulate them on their posts

others i feel are well wide o the mark im afraid and rightly or wrongly you wont change my mind

The atmosphere has been ****, that's a fact reported in newspapers and on TV (by commentators who are actually attending the games). I won't say they are an 100% accurate reflection of what's happening in games but, add to that the fact that sometimes you really notice that a pin could drop and you could hear it, even on TV.

That was my reflection on how I perceived it. You'd have to understand that it's an honest assessment, not something done just to piss off people going to games.

Carra even went public to vent his frustrations that some fans were acting like cunts, so there must be some truth in it, don't you think?

[Craig_H]

Um, probably not but then I think it is unlikely that we will finish with 9 home wins and 10 home draws. I've always said that in all likelihood that we will need to improve our home form but that I feel that doing so is well within the capabilities of our team and manager. I don't think we have been doing all that much wrong and at some point I am hopeful we will have Torres back for an extended period which I feel will make a big difference.

I don't think we have played to our full potential this season as yet and we have a record of improving over a season. I can see as many arguments for and against that happening again but while we remain collecting points even during our poor run of form and other teams don't accelerate away from us I see no reason not to be positive about our chances going forwards.

My main gripe is that we've not done enough in home games and we havent always given ourselves the best chance, with some of the management decisions. I dont think you and i differ too much on those views

[Craig_H]

The atmosphere has been ****, that's a fact reported in newspapers and on TV (by commentators who are actually attending the games). I won't say they are an 100% accurate reflection of what's happening in games but, add to that the fact that sometimes you really notice that a pin could drop and you could hear it, even on TV.

That was my reflection on how I perceived it. You'd have to understand that it's an honest assessment, not something done just to piss off people going to games.

Carra even went public to vent his frustrations that some fans were acting like cunts, so there must be some truth in it, don't you think?

Mate, newspapers and tv sensationalise everything, because they have an agenda, one way or the other.

I have no requirement for readers or viewers and i'm just telling it to you like it is, with no reason to exaggerate or distort what i see.

A small percentage have boo'd at the end of the game and whilst it's disgraceful, it's not reflective of LFC fans at all. Recent atmospheres have been better, some have been a little quieter than you'd like, but i wouldnt take the small amount of booing as a representation of the Anfield atmosphere at all.

[Guest]

Mate, newspapers and tv sensationalise everything, because they have an agenda, one way or the other.

I have no requirement for readers or viewers and i'm just telling it to you like it is, with no reason to exaggerate or distort what i see.

A small percentage have boo'd at the end of the game and whilst it's disgraceful, it's not reflective of LFC fans at all. Recent atmospheres have been better, some have been a little quieter than you'd like, but i wouldnt take the small amount of booing as a representation of the Anfield atmosphere at all.

elvoz could have put it as eloquently as you just have. I will still wait an age for him to reply and make out his own point, but he'll gladly pass the baton to someone else and just use his petty remarks.

No offence kewellnthegang.