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    Perspective and perception. Is Rafa a victim of his own success?

    There is a lot of media bias against Rafa at present. Probably more now than there ever has been. And yet we sit close to the summit of the league, after having been top for a fair while. I think it would be fair to say that it's not only the media that are on Rafa's back now, but a sizeable portion of the fans also. Not only on websites such as this, but radio phone ins etc too.

    I have a sneaky suspicion that this negativity will start to fade and a more realistic analysis of just where Rafa has taken us will start to prevail. I don't think any of us really quite expected us to be sat at the top of the Prem quite so soon and for quite so long. The victories over both Manu and Chelsea helped add to the hysteria. All of a sudden we were going to go from top four regulars to title winners. On the radio every week I would listen to fans calling in and shouting that we were going to win the league this year.

    It all seems to stem from the great start we had and the poor start Manu and Chelsea (compared to previous years) had had. Rewind to the end of last season and tell me if you you honestly thought this was going to be our year. That we had a very real chance of winning the league and that we would have been top at the end of 2008. I expected a title challenge in a year or two, but not such lofty heights so soon.

    I think if we rewind to last season and told ourselves that we would be this close to Manu with plenty of games to go, most of us would have been ecstatic. But perpsective and perception change once you have been at the top for a little while and you start to let yourself believe that it may actually just happen this year.

    We have been knocked off our perch this season and have been in second place for a little while now, and I think folks will hopefully start to see things more realistically now, once the disappointment has worn off.

    Take into account all the political goings on in the background that Rafa and the squad have had to deal with, as well as the little issue of our captain and his court case. The board room problems and the whole Keane affair were massive distractions and probably haven't been given the gravitas they should have had when debating whether Rafa is doing a good job or not. It's bound to have taken it's toll.

    We are still very much in with a shout of the title. Chelsea and the Arse have fallen by the way side. If we beat Manu at their ground we will be right up there fighting for the league.

    If Rafa hadn't have taken us to the top of the league so soon and for so long, we would have more than likely been perfectly happy with out lot. It would probably have kept the media off our backs to some degree, as it would appear now that Rafa has been made out to be a failure now that he has lost the top spot in the Prem. Was it really fair to have expected that of him in the first place? I'd say not. And that Rafa is, to some degree, a victim of his own success.
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    #2
    Yep I think he is. I also think Istanbul made us think that progress would be fast-tracked rather than taking the realist view that we were a long long way behind even after the CL success.
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      #3
      Great article mate!

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        #4
        Although I hoped and thought (as always) that we would win the title, I guarantee that at least 90% of the people on Rafa’s back at the minute claimed pre-season that they would be happy if:

        1. We’re in with a shout come second half of season.
        2. We improved results against the top sides.

        I wasn’t one of these people as I clearly am not a ‘realist’, but it’s these same ‘realists’ that are the only ones that can now see that Rafa is not the man for the job and we are not gonna win the league.
        If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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          #5
          Originally posted by RedReet View Post
          Although I hoped and thought (as always) that we would win the title, I guarantee that at least 90% of the people on Rafa’s back at the minute claimed pre-season that they would be happy if:

          1. We’re in with a shout come second half of season.
          2. We improved results against the top sides.

          I wasn’t one of these people as I clearly am not a ‘realist’, but it’s these same ‘realists’ that are the only ones that can now see that Rafa is not the man for the job and we are not gonna win the league.


          How sad to read some of the anti-Rafa ****e after a conceived 'bad' result. FFS 1 defeat ALL season!! Rafa will prove the doubters wrong.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Tee View Post


            How sad to read some of the anti-Rafa ****e after a conceived 'bad' result. FFS 1 defeat ALL season!! Rafa will prove the doubters wrong.
            look i am on of Rafa's biggest fans, but you could remain undefeated all season and still get relegated. The biggest problem we have is turning those draws into wins although a certain mr Torres would havehelped there and i am also sure that Rafa is intellegent ehough to know this and address it for next year. I just wish he would go for it more, but hey the bloke is a class apart from most managers he gas integrity, honour, respects the liverpool way and single minded enough to bring us number 19 very soon.
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              #7
              Originally posted by magicalbarnes View Post
              Great article mate!

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                #8
                I think it telling that this is the 3rd positive thread started in the last 24 hours (I copied and pasted positive articles for the other 2) and yet the most replies any of them have is 8.
                It seems that some on here only crawl out from under their rocks when we draw or only beat Portsmouth in the last minute so basically if they can post negative ****e then great but add a balanced opinion to articles/threads that aren't ott about Rafa just a honest accurate view on where we are and hardly anyone wants to know.
                I've posted before that I wished Rafa would go all out attack on occasions in the past but we are top of the league on merit and I would bet money now that we will win at OT in March.
                It's a shame this place is so quiet when there isn't anything to slag Rafa or Lucus or whoever off about
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Birdman View Post
                  I think it telling that this is the 3rd positive thread started in the last 24 hours (I copied and pasted positive articles for the other 2) and yet the most replies any of them have is 8.
                  It seems that some on here only crawl out from under their rocks when we draw or only beat Portsmouth in the last minute so basically if they can post negative ****e then great but add a balanced opinion to articles/threads that aren't ott about Rafa just a honest accurate view on where we are and hardly anyone wants to know.
                  I've posted before that I wished Rafa would go all out attack on occasions in the past but we are top of the league on merit and I would bet money now that we will win at OT in March.
                  It's a shame this place is so quiet when there isn't anything to slag Rafa or Lucus or whoever off about


                  Agreed. I can't believe some of the negativity around here, we've made significant progress this year.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by The Birdman View Post
                    I think it telling that this is the 3rd positive thread started in the last 24 hours (I copied and pasted positive articles for the other 2) and yet the most replies any of them have is 8.
                    It seems that some on here only crawl out from under their rocks when we draw or only beat Portsmouth in the last minute so basically if they can post negative ****e then great but add a balanced opinion to articles/threads that aren't ott about Rafa just a honest accurate view on where we are and hardly anyone wants to know.
                    I've posted before that I wished Rafa would go all out attack on occasions in the past but we are top of the league on merit and I would bet money now that we will win at OT in March.
                    It's a shame this place is so quiet when there isn't anything to slag Rafa or Lucus or whoever off about


                    True.I also noticed the lack of responses on the 2 threads you started.Shame that really.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Birdman View Post
                      I think it telling that this is the 3rd positive thread started in the last 24 hours (I copied and pasted positive articles for the other 2) and yet the most replies any of them have is 8.
                      It seems that some on here only crawl out from under their rocks when we draw or only beat Portsmouth in the last minute so basically if they can post negative ****e then great but add a balanced opinion to articles/threads that aren't ott about Rafa just a honest accurate view on where we are and hardly anyone wants to know.
                      I've posted before that I wished Rafa would go all out attack on occasions in the past but we are top of the league on merit and I would bet money now that we will win at OT in March.
                      It's a shame this place is so quiet when there isn't anything to slag Rafa or Lucus or whoever off about
                      People are still gutted that the title that they may have thought was in the bag this season, is in actual fact not. And may well never have been but it just appeared that way. I'm not saying that we can't win it, of course we can, but that many fans are gutted and bitter that they are having to see things a little more realistically now. The future still looks good, but it's not quite the bowl of cherries it was a few months ago. Hopefully, perceptions and perspectives will alter given a bit of time.
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                        #12
                        It's fair to say that Rafa has set high standards following this season's so far still active title bid.

                        What it also does however, is show that the squad IS actually capable of mounting a challenge, so in bringing that to the fore, he will naturally be expected to continue challenging for (and hopefully the next progression is actually winning) the title in seasons to come.

                        This season has shown we're capable of a title challenge, so not being able to mount one on a consistent basis from now on would equate to failure.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Baldemort View Post
                          There is a lot of media bias against Rafa at present. Probably more now than there ever has been. And yet we sit close to the summit of the league, after having been top for a fair while. I think it would be fair to say that it's not only the media that are on Rafa's back now, but a sizeable portion of the fans also. Not only on websites such as this, but radio phone ins etc too.

                          I have a sneaky suspicion that this negativity will start to fade and a more realistic analysis of just where Rafa has taken us will start to prevail. I don't think any of us really quite expected us to be sat at the top of the Prem quite so soon and for quite so long. The victories over both Manu and Chelsea helped add to the hysteria. All of a sudden we were going to go from top four regulars to title winners. On the radio every week I would listen to fans calling in and shouting that we were going to win the league this year.

                          It all seems to stem from the great start we had and the poor start Manu and Chelsea (compared to previous years) had had. Rewind to the end of last season and tell me if you you honestly thought this was going to be our year. That we had a very real chance of winning the league and that we would have been top at the end of 2008. I expected a title challenge in a year or two, but not such lofty heights so soon.

                          I think if we rewind to last season and told ourselves that we would be this close to Manu with plenty of games to go, most of us would have been ecstatic. But perpsective and perception change once you have been at the top for a little while and you start to let yourself believe that it may actually just happen this year.

                          We have been knocked off our perch this season and have been in second place for a little while now, and I think folks will hopefully start to see things more realistically now, once the disappointment has worn off.

                          Take into account all the political goings on in the background that Rafa and the squad have had to deal with, as well as the little issue of our captain and his court case. The board room problems and the whole Keane affair were massive distractions and probably haven't been given the gravitas they should have had when debating whether Rafa is doing a good job or not. It's bound to have taken it's toll.

                          We are still very much in with a shout of the title. Chelsea and the Arse have fallen by the way side. If we beat Manu at their ground we will be right up there fighting for the league.

                          If Rafa hadn't have taken us to the top of the league so soon and for so long, we would have more than likely been perfectly happy with out lot. It would probably have kept the media off our backs to some degree, as it would appear now that Rafa has been made out to be a failure now that he has lost the top spot in the Prem. Was it really fair to have expected that of him in the first place? I'd say not. And that Rafa is, to some degree, a victim of his own success.
                          All fine, but don't think the current negativity, over expectations etc equates to media bias against Rafa at all.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                            It's fair to say that Rafa has set high standards following this season's so far still active title bid.

                            What it also does however, is show that the squad IS actually capable of mounting a challenge, so in bringing that to the fore, he will naturally be expected to continue challenging for (and hopefully the next progression is actually winning) the title in seasons to come.

                            This season has shown we're capable of a title challenge, so not being able to mount one on a consistent basis from now on would equate to failure.
                            Absolutely. If he doesn't really push the title charge to the wire from now on, that will have to be seen as failure. I'd expect a title win in the next two seasons. If not, then maybe he's not the man to take us to our ultimate goal. But I do think he'll get us there.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Operation View Post
                              All fine, but don't think the current negativity, over expectations etc equates to media bias against Rafa at all.
                              I'm not sure mate. Since he Rafa 'rant' and the following slump in performances, he's gone from being a great manager at the top of the table to being someone who had well and truly blown it. It maybe just me, but it feels as though there has been a much more negative bias since that turning point.
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