Perspective and perception. Is Rafa a victim of his own success?

[saj]

Nope from UEFAs site it seems to be split by how you finish in the league

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/Keytopics/kind=16384/newsId=77336.html

TV contracts
Each club was also entitled to a share of the market pool, allocated in proportion to the value of the TV contracts for the countries of the clubs concerned. Furthermore, the amount paid out to the associations with more than one club in the competition depended on the number of matches played in the 2002/03 Champions League, and on the clubs' finishing position in the previous season's domestic championship.

Market pool
Consequently, for the same number of Champions League matches, Juventus received more from the market pool than their conquerors in the final, Milan, because they finished the 2001/02 Italian domestic season as champions, while Milan finished fourth

Look at the date on that article - 2003. It's almost 6 years old and the allocation of money has changed 3 times since then

[Woobus]

Look at the date on that article - 2003. It's almost 6 years old and the allocation of money has changed 3 times since then

Well if you can find something more up to date I would like to see it. I have checked the UEFA site and it seems to be the most up to date thing about prize money.
The link you posted just goes to show that finishing higher means more money. I know Neil posted that drawing and winning matches in the group stages make a difference but it is 600k for a win and 300k for a draw.
We received an extra 4 million for getting to the final add that to the top of the extra Chelsea got over us adds to about 6.4 million.
So even if we drew all our matches and Chelsea won all there group stages wouldnt add back to 6.4 million.

[saj]

Well if you can find something more up to date I would like to see it. I have checked the UEFA site and it seems to be the most up to date thing about prize money.
The link you posted just goes to show that finishing higher means more money. I know Neil posted that drawing and winning matches in the group stages make a difference but it is 600k for a win and 300k for a draw.
We received an extra 4 million for getting to the final add that to the top of the extra Chelsea got over us adds to about 6.4 million.
So even if we drew all our matches and Chelsea won all there group stages wouldnt add back to 6.4 million.

Those figures do not include just money from the UEFA pot which is evenly distributed, but also money from TV rights, gate reciepts etc etc.

[saj]

Well if you can find something more up to date I would like to see it. I have checked the UEFA site and it seems to be the most up to date thing about prize money.
The link you posted just goes to show that finishing higher means more money. I know Neil posted that drawing and winning matches in the group stages make a difference but it is 600k for a win and 300k for a draw.
We received an extra 4 million for getting to the final add that to the top of the extra Chelsea got over us adds to about 6.4 million.
So even if we drew all our matches and Chelsea won all there group stages wouldnt add back to 6.4 million.

At last, I found an article. Certain clubs make more depending on their commercial success but ultimately, the money is evenly distributed and here is proof...

"UEFA awards €3million to each team that qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, plus €2.4million for participating in the Group stage. A Group stage win was worth €600,000 per game, or €300,000 for a draw. Reaching the first knockout phase has netted an instant €2.2million prize payment. A side qualifying for the knockout phase will secure on average €9.4million in UEFA prize monies"

Here is the full article http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/16...-research-says


Europe's top clubs earn €38.45m from Champions League, research says

Europe’s top football clubs earnt an average of €38.45million for reaching the knockout stage of the UEFA Champions League, according to research commissioned by Official Sponsor, MasterCard.

For sides with the largest fan bases, such as Manchester United FC and FC Barcelona, the figure rises to €46.14million. The study also suggests the team which wins the final could make up to €110.35million in the process. These financial injections will come via a UEFA participation payment; UEFA prize money; a share of UEFA commercial revenues from the tournament (market pool payment); ticket sales; commercial and marketing revenues, including sponsorship and sales of merchandise, food and beverages; and increased squad value.

Professor Simon Chadwick, who conducted the research on behalf of MasterCard, said: “In uncertain economic times, sport’s universal appeal remains strong, making it one of the most lucrative industries to be involved in. The competition continues to be an important source of revenue and commercial activity for clubs, especially for those that qualify for the knockout phase of the competition.

“This inevitably makes a significant contribution to the annual turnover of the clubs involved. Moreover, revenues earned from UEFA Champions League football will be especially important to clubs as the moment, given difficult operating conditions across the world.”

UEFA awards €3million to each team that qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, plus €2.4million for participating in the Group stage. A Group stage win was worth €600,000 per game, or €300,000 for a draw. Reaching the first knockout phase has netted an instant €2.2million prize payment. A side qualifying for the knockout phase will secure on average €9.4million in UEFA prize monies.

UEFA will make additional payments to Group stage teams dependent on the commercial success of the tournament, which the MasterCard report suggests could amount to approximately €9.5million per club. The study also suggests ticket revenues generated an average of €8.55million in income from the Group stage, with commercial and marketing revenues accounting for a further €6million on average and squad values increasing by an average of €5million on the back of qualification for the knockout phase.

According to the research, the average across the sides in the UEFA Champions League, the economic boost derived from qualifying through the Group stage can be split up as 24.7 per cent due to the UEFA market pool payment, 24.4 per cent due to UEFA prize money, 22.3 per cent due to ticket revenues, 15.6 per cent due to commercial and marketing revenues, and 13.0 per cent due to increases in player value.

In total, UEFA prize money adds €2.5 million for each quarter-finalist, €3 million for each semi-finalist, €4 million for the runners-up and €7 million for the winners. According to the MasterCard study, the side that wins UEFA Champions League trophy in 2009 could earn up to a total of €21.9million in prize money, an expected €9.5million market pool payment, €19.95million in ticket revenues, €14million in commercial and marketing revenues, €15 million in increased squad value, and up to €30million in other premiums associated with progression to the Final and victory, including bonus payments linked to sponsorship.

[EwarWoo]

The only thing I've said is that there is little difference between 2nd and 4th - but there is a massive difference between finishing 1st and 2nd/3rd etc. If you're not capable of understanding that finising 1st is better than finishing 2nd/3rd/4th then clearly you should be supporting a different team.

No-one said or even implied 1st wasn't better than 2nd/3rd etc so **** of with your straw man arguments pal.

[saj]

No-one said or even implied 1st wasn't better than 2nd/3rd etc so **** of with your straw man arguments pal.

Very constructive and mature. Why don't you "**** of" you dyslexic double barelled knob jockey

[Joe King]

No-one said or even implied 1st wasn't better than 2nd/3rd etc so **** of with your straw man arguments pal.

Quite ironic for you to argue considering he didn't say anything to you in the first place.

[saj]

Quite ironic for you to argue considering he didn't say anything to you in the first place.

Ha ha - that's actually true. I didn't even say anything to that E****zoo prick. Clearly he's attempting to gang up on me, school playground style. What a cock

[EwarWoo]

Very constructive and mature. Why don't you "**** of" you dyslexic double barelled knob jockey

From you I'll take that as a compliment

Quite ironic for you to argue considering he didn't say anything to you in the first place.

Indirectly yes.

But quite ironic for you to argue considerring.......

[Joe King]

Indirectly yes.

But quite ironic for you to argue considerring.......

Not arguing. I'm just saying, no need for that tone.

[Woobus]

At last, I found an article. Certain clubs make more depending on their commercial success but ultimately, the money is evenly distributed and here is proof...

I am not doubting that the money teams recieve for reaching each stage in the same, its the market pool for the TV rights for the group stages that is split depending on where a team finishes in the league.
So financially there is a big difference between finishing 2nd - 4th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Champions_League_Final

Rewards
In addition to the €3 million participation bonus, €5.7 million won from the group stages and €7.7 million from the three rounds prior to the final, Manchester United also received €7 million for winning the final and becoming champions. Chelsea also received €3 million for participation and €7.7 million for the first three knockout rounds, but received only €5.1 million from the group stage, having drawn two more games and won two less than Manchester United. Chelsea also received €4 million for becoming the runners-up.

The two clubs benefited greatly from reaching the final. In addition to the €23.4 million and €19.8 million earned respectively by the champions and runners-up as prize money, the clubs received money from the UEFA market pool share. The market pool share is estimated to have a total value of €280 million, shared between the 32 clubs who qualified for the group stage. The pool was split in proportion to each national association's strength in the television market, with the Premier League receiving around €50 million from the pool. The money is then split in a 4:3:2:1 ratio to the four teams who qualified for the Champions League from the 2007–08 Premier League. This means that Manchester United received around €20 million and Chelsea around €15 million. The strong presence of the English clubs in the final stages of the competition – three of the four clubs in the semi-final were English – will undoubtedly increase the league's pool share, with possibly more than €50 million being distributed among the clubs.[27][28]

[Skillz]

That's right! The TV income for the group stage only is split up between the nations. The English portion is split up as

1st = 40%
2nd = 30%
3rd = 20%
4th = 10%

This is for TV income for the group stage only

[dww]

No-one said or even implied 1st wasn't better than 2nd/3rd etc so **** of with your straw man arguments pal.

Very constructive and mature. Why don't you "**** of" you dyslexic double barelled knob jockey

Let's keep this civil please.