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    #61
    Originally posted by dww View Post
    I'm not really sure what anyone expects Rafa to say really. "It's a complete disaster I give up"? It's certainly not what any successful manager would do in his situation.

    Purslow has only ever really talked about it in the context of is it enough to sack Rafa over to which he says no and will it cause financial meltdown at the club to which he also says no.

    People obviously have the right to criticise under performance but I think that in the end we have to accept that it is the long term that is important. That doesn't mean that people have to agree with me that Rafa is the best option but the criteria for success I do think are best assessed at the end of the season - we have clearly had a bad patch as we tried to change the way we played with a thin squad and get over the loss of a key player from last season.

    Rafa rightly takes flak for decisions like buying Aquilani - would a temporary solution have been better. Perhaps but the time to judge is at the end of the season if not further into the future. Most people have for a long time wanted us to fill out the squad with young players and go for quality in our buys when we do that people feel we left the squad too light in numbers.
    It's a fair point, but I think people actually wanted the young players to play when we're short and the first teamers aren't performing.
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      #62
      Originally posted by Operation View Post
      Stock reponse here for such articles seems to be "**** off, what a load of ****e".
      Because it's a load of bollocks. How is the team 'full of mediocrity'?? We've got basically the same ****ing squad as last season. **** off Lawton and reserve you ****ing bile for another club more deserving of it. CUNT.

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        #63
        personally i'd sack rafa and get hiddink or IMO dalglish. at least kenny knows what this club is about and what it means to be at lfc. he knows the premiership is the golden goose. saying that, as it's not my choice i cant see rafa getting the bullet so as much as it pains me right now we have to get behind him.
        People who think there's no good way to die have obviously never heard the phrase 'Drug-fuelled-sex-heart-attack'.

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          #64
          Originally posted by ukfootballfan101 View Post
          I've just read stan collymores latest article titled Why Rafa and Mark Hughes should beware the shadow of Guss Hiddink..

          <html>http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/stan-collymore/Why-Rafa-Benitez-and-Mark-Hughes-should-beware-the-shadow-of-Guus-Hiddink-article229383.html</html>

          Now I'm not a big fan of stans column most of the time be write complete rubbish, but has he finally written something worth thinking about??

          Now i'm not one of those fans that has been on Rafa's back for ages, I have never posted a negative word about him on here before, I always defend him when talking football with my mates, but this season is becoming a nightmare, from the hope in early summer that we could mount a serious title challenge this year to one win in 10 games...its really getting me down!!

          I believe in the Liverpool way of supporting the manager, I think a manager should always get a fair crack of the whip, I laugh when newcastle and real madrid change managers every 6 months, but have we got to the point where a change is needed?? I've read all of Paul Tompkins writings and the piece when he met Rafa really gave me hope, but I don't know what to think now.

          Something is fundementally wrong, I don't know what it is, ok we have had really had injuries, rafa has had to make do with limited funds, but we seem to have taken a huge step backwards from last season. Now I know we are missing Alonso, for which I don't blame Rafa, Alonso had 2 bad seasons before last year so he was right to look to sell in 2008, and on the back of that I think Alonso had decided he was going to go, he did us a favour in playing so well and pushing up the fee though...

          Hiddink, he did a great job at Chelsea last year, he took someone elses team and turned their season around. I think he would do a good job at Liverpool....but at the same time I like what Rafa is building...the squad is so much better than when he arrived, he's sorting out the academy finally....help!! I don't know what to think anymore...if we get knocked out of the champions league I think the question seriously has to be asked...not sure what the answer should be though...should we wait until summer and decide then? Would it go against the liverpool way if we sacked Rafa now??
          we have had some rotten luck, lost the two players we all knew we could not afford to lose and most importantly of all we are conceding too many goals.

          The luck and injuries will sort themselves out. The problems in defence need some managerial expertise. This is where Rafa has to make a difference.

          If he does and we get key players back we will hit form again in no time.

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            #65
            Originally posted by PeteBest View Post
            Because it's a load of bollocks. How is the team 'full of mediocrity'?? We've got basically the same ****ing squad as last season. **** off Lawton and reserve you ****ing bile for another club more deserving of it. CUNT.
            the team is a medicore one that vastly overplayed last year.
            People who think there's no good way to die have obviously never heard the phrase 'Drug-fuelled-sex-heart-attack'.

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              #66
              Originally posted by SimonNo7 View Post
              But he is top of the ridculous Dutch accent league!!!!!

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                #67
                Originally posted by the rev leeroy brown View Post
                personally i'd sack rafa and get hiddink or IMO dalglish. at least kenny knows what this club is about and what it means to be at lfc. he knows the premiership is the golden goose. saying that, as it's not my choice i cant see rafa getting the bullet so as much as it pains me right now we have to get behind him.
                I'll bet that you'll slit your wrists any time soon as Rafa is here for at least 4 more years. If that can spare us some of your ****e, then all the better.

                That was tongue in cheek.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by PeteBest View Post
                  I'll bet that you'll slit your wrists any time soon as Rafa is here for at least 4 more years. If that can spare us some of your ****e, then all the better.

                  That was tongue in cheek.
                  tongue in cheek my arse!
                  People who think there's no good way to die have obviously never heard the phrase 'Drug-fuelled-sex-heart-attack'.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by vonk View Post
                    New players won't make a bit of difference. I firmly believe that now. He can put out 11 internationals and still can't motivate them. Let's face it, there were 11 decent players out there today against one of the poorest side ever to grace the Champions League, yet we were abysmal. Two defensive midfielders? He just cannot change the system no matter what the game. Why did he even buy Aquilani if he is not going to play him. Send him back if he can't take a tackle.

                    The players look bereft of confidence and there is no improvement in our play in the attacking third. Make no mistake about it, the Rafa apologists will still claim he is the greatest manager in history because of 6 minutes and a penalty shoot out which he has been living on. Arsenal have won nothing recently but at least they play decent attacking football. What I'd give to see that right now, instead of the drivel we are watching. At what point do we say that he can't motivate the players or change the tactics? We are so reliant on Torres and Gerrard it's unreal.

                    I ****ing hate to say it, but look at the teams the scum put out against Chelsea and the bitters. A lot of those players I wouldn't have in our team and they are fairly ordinary players, yet they outplayed Chelsea and crushed Everton. It's because whiskey nose knows how to organise and motivate no matter what kind of players he has available. Rafa is in a rut. The second half of last season is proving to be the exception rather than the rule. I'd love it if he could get us winning consistently but its not happening. Even if went unbeaten for the rest of the season, how do you explain the dross we have been served up the last few months. It's hardly a blip, we've been out of it by Christmas in 5 or his 6 seasons.

                    At some point it has to come down to the belief instilled in the players, rather than whether the player is a 10m or a 30m player. Our players seem to have no belief at all and that's the job of the coach.

                    Sick to the teeth of this season. It's getting too painful to watch.
                    I firmly believe you should dig a hole in the woods get in it and don't come out again until spring.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Operation View Post
                      Stock reponse here for such articles seems to be "**** off, what a load of ****e".
                      Thats because 99.9% of journalism in this country is exactly that.

                      The "Torres was a no brainer signing as was Mascherano" just enforces that. Cant even give credit where its due.

                      That'd be the "no brainer" that was sitting on West Hams bench and the "no brainer" that was stagnating at Atletico and had a string of supporters on various forums declaring they'd rather sign Darren Bent.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Chris View Post
                        Thats because 99.9% of journalism in this country is exactly that.

                        The "Torres was a no brainer signing as was Mascherano" just enforces that. Cant even give credit where its due.

                        That'd be the "no brainer" that was sitting on West Hams bench and the "no brainer" that was stagnating at Atletico and had a string of supporters on various forums declaring they'd rather sign Darren Bent.
                        Exactly. It is absolute bollocks of the highest order to describe the Torres signing as a no-brainer. Completely revisionist. If it was such a ****ing no-brainer, then why did we sign Torres completely unchallenged? Not a single other club was in for him. As you say the forums were full of people wishing we'd signed Bent instead. Lawton's just another ill-informed, clueless gob****e.
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                          Exactly. It is absolute bollocks of the highest order to describe the Torres signing as a no-brainer. Completely revisionist. If it was such a ****ing no-brainer, then why did we sign Torres completely unchallenged? Not a single other club was in for him. As you say the forums were full of people wishing we'd signed Bent instead. Lawton's just another ill-informed, clueless gob****e.
                          Come on fella, that's ****e. There were a few lone voices who were being laughed at in the main. People had their doubts about his scoring record, aye. We were the only ones in for him because we were the only ones he wanted to join.
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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Operation View Post
                            Come on fella, that's ****e. There were a few lone voices who were being laughed at in the main. People had their doubts about his scoring record, aye. We were the only ones in for him because we were the only ones he wanted to join.
                            There were ****ing loads saying it.

                            And the only ones he wanted to join? Come on!! It's nice when he says all that but you have to be ridiculously naive to believe it.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by The Birdman View Post
                              Utd finished bottom of their CL group a few years ago and everyone wanted SAF sacked, they've done ****e since then, terrible decision to stick with him, when does consistancy and continuity get you anywhere......................
                              This is not United
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                                #75
                                Originally posted by the rev leeroy brown View Post
                                the team is a medicore one that vastly overplayed last year.
                                So you wanna sack a manager that could get a mediocre team to play above their natural level? Good call.

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