1 assist in 18.5 hours. Is that what makes a player unstoppable?

[Guest]

No you're wrong.

[BG1973]

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i would probably agree with that.

But babel doesnt deserve his spot either imo. When he has been on the pitch he has shown no game intelligence......ever!!! and i think thats why Rafa refuses to use him[/QUOTE]


You are unfortunately right. He has all the talent but he clearly has a mental block. I don't know which manager will ever get the best out of Babel but it certainly isn't Rafa. Maybe someone like Guardiola, Wenger or Martin Jol? Babel has gone backwards since the day he arrived. But I think a lot of people are saying if Kuyt can get a start week in/week out and do nothing, why can't Babel be given a chance? What's the worse that can happen - he does nothing as per Kuyt! It's not like we're winning games anyway.

**** it - Babel's getting sold anyway and chances he will be replaced by nobody. We can all dream of Elijero and Turan but the fact is, these guys are top notch players who we could never afford. If these guys are that good, they will be snapped by some of the big teams in England//Europe who will outbid us by 1 Euro!

he can't pass the ball so is never going to get into teams like that.

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[quote=saj;1465051][QUOTE=red g;1465047]

i would probably agree with that.

But babel doesnt deserve his spot either imo. When he has been on the pitch he has shown no game intelligence......ever!!! and i think thats why Rafa refuses to use him[/QUOTE]


You are unfortunately right. He has all the talent but he clearly has a mental block. I don't know which manager will ever get the best out of Babel but it certainly isn't Rafa. Maybe someone like Guardiola, Wenger or Martin Jol? Babel has gone backwards since the day he arrived. But I think a lot of people are saying if Kuyt can get a start week in/week out and do nothing, why can't Babel be given a chance? What's the worse that can happen - he does nothing as per Kuyt! It's not like we're winning games anyway.

**** it - Babel's getting sold anyway and chances he will be replaced by nobody. We can all dream of Elijero and Turan but the fact is, these guys are top notch players who we could never afford. If these guys are that good, they will be snapped by some of the big teams in England//Europe who will outbid us by 1 Euro!

no-one will ever get the best out of babel as he thinks he is a striker, so prob hates his wing play and although you can teach game intelligence you cant if all they wanna listen to is Dr dre, maybe we should get snoop down and rap instructions to him, he may listen then

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Kuyt hasnt been helped that he has had a variety of right backs to link up with, I am sure him and johnson could do well down the right with Kuyts discipline key as Johnson bombs forward.

[dww]

I don't think anyone believes Kuyt is having a great season but I don't think he has been as bad as some make out. As a team we are playing too deep and it is impacting him badly as it is nearly all our attacking players.

You get certain things as a given with Kuyt - work rate, desire and the willingness to try things no matter how badly things are going for him - to get the most out of him you have to accept the limitations he has as a play maker or someone who runs from deep. A bit like Rooney a few years ago had a lot of games where he got dragged too deep when playing on the wing and his impact was minimised the same goes for Kuyt (I'm comparing some aspects of their style rather than quality here before anyone gets their knockers in a twist).

In order to get better I think we need to have a consistent team but at the same time I worry about playing Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt in the same midfield. I've said elsewhere I think my prefered option at present would be Kuyt off the striker with Gerrard on the left. I'd hope that by doing this Kuyts work rate would help us keep the ball in the oppositions defensive third which I feel would benefit a lot of players. I guess though if Gerrard regained full match fitness the importance of his end product off the striker might mean that this formation became less appealing.

[MrMichael]

I don't think anyone believes Kuyt is having a great season but I don't think he has been as bad as some make out. As a team we are playing too deep and it is impacting him badly as it is nearly all our attacking players.

You get certain things as a given with Kuyt - work rate, desire and the willingness to try things no matter how badly things are going for him - to get the most out of him you have to accept the limitations he has as a play maker or someone who runs from deep. A bit like Rooney a few years ago had a lot of games where he got dragged too deep when playing on the wing and his impact was minimised the same goes for Kuyt (I'm comparing some aspects of their style rather than quality here before anyone gets their knockers in a twist).

In order to get better I think we need to have a consistent team but at the same time I worry about playing Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt in the same midfield. I've said elsewhere I think my prefered option at present would be Kuyt off the striker with Gerrard on the left. I'd hope that by doing this Kuyts work rate would help us keep the ball in the oppositions defensive third which I feel would benefit a lot of players. I guess though if Gerrard regained full match fitness the importance of his end product off the striker might mean that this formation became less appealing.

Spot on imo

And as for the original article, I'd really quite like to ban that site and anything written by that cock from here. Not because of that specific article, but because if Kanwar is actually a Liverpool fan then I'm the pope.... he's been spreading bile about our club and everyone involved with it for ages, hiding under the pathetic guise of presenting "critical realism". I refuse to give his website more hits to dig out the proper examples of what I mean but I'd genuinely rather even read D*nk's thoughts about our club that that prats'.

[Pablo]

Spot on imo

And as for the original article, I'd really quite like to ban that site and anything written by that cock from here. Not because of that specific article, but because if Kanwar is actually a Liverpool fan then I'm the pope.... he's been spreading bile about our club and everyone involved with it for ages, hiding under the pathetic guise of presenting "critical realism". I refuse to give his website more hits to dig out the proper examples of what I mean but I'd genuinely rather even read D*nk's thoughts about our club that that prats'.

Do it!

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Do it!

seconded

[saj]

I don't think anyone believes Kuyt is having a great season but I don't think he has been as bad as some make out. As a team we are playing too deep and it is impacting him badly as it is nearly all our attacking players.

You get certain things as a given with Kuyt - work rate, desire and the willingness to try things no matter how badly things are going for him - to get the most out of him you have to accept the limitations he has as a play maker or someone who runs from deep. A bit like Rooney a few years ago had a lot of games where he got dragged too deep when playing on the wing and his impact was minimised the same goes for Kuyt (I'm comparing some aspects of their style rather than quality here before anyone gets their knockers in a twist).

In order to get better I think we need to have a consistent team but at the same time I worry about playing Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt in the same midfield. I've said elsewhere I think my prefered option at present would be Kuyt off the striker with Gerrard on the left. I'd hope that by doing this Kuyts work rate would help us keep the ball in the oppositions defensive third which I feel would benefit a lot of players. I guess though if Gerrard regained full match fitness the importance of his end product off the striker might mean that this formation became less appealing.

So you'd move quite possibly the best Attacking Midfielder (Gerrard) in the world out of position to the left and put a below below average player in Kuyt in his position? No offence, but thar really doesn't make sense. In fact, thats bordering insanity seeing as he has rarely/never played there for Liverpool. We're struggling to retain the ball and find a killer pass for our forward (be it Ngog or Torres) and somehow I don't think Kuyt could do that. He can barely pass a ball 2 yards accurately.

[Vermilion]

What a ****ing ****e website, with a sole purpose to stir ****, not much different from the s*n.

Lets also drop Reina for conceding so many goals.

People are free to do as they wish of course, but I dont think this ****pile of a site needs any more publicity.

[dww]

So you'd move quite possibly the best Attacking Midfielder (Gerrard) in the world out of position to the left and put a below below average player in Kuyt in his position? No offence, but thar really doesn't make sense. In fact, thats bordering insanity seeing as he has rarely/never played there for Liverpool. We're struggling to retain the ball and find a killer pass for our forward (be it Ngog or Torres) and somehow I don't think Kuyt could do that. He can barely pass a ball 2 yards accurately.

I actually meant right. Apologies. Although I'm going to guess it wouldn't change your arguement much.

I think that Kuyt works well with players running off him and Gerrard is likely to do that and Gerrard so far this season has not helped us keep the ball in the opposition half and has looked generally less than fully fit. Kuyt's work rate would get more returns centrally and Gerrard would be able to act as more of an impact player from a wide position. I'm not advocating it as a long term solution (as the last pert of my original post indicates) but at present I think we need to look at ways to get the most out of what we have in the state those players are in.

[saj]

I actually meant right. Apologies. Although I'm going to guess it wouldn't change your arguement much.

I think that Kuyt works well with players running off him and Gerrard is likely to do that and Gerrard so far this season has not helped us keep the ball in the opposition half and has looked generally less than fully fit. Kuyt's work rate would get more returns centrally and Gerrard would be able to act as more of an impact player from a wide position. I'm not advocating it as a long term solution (as the last pert of my original post indicates) but at present I think we need to look at ways to get the most out of what we have in the state those players are in.

Whilst Kuyt would be better at pressing the opposition midfield/defences, it's what he does with the ball in this possesion that worries me. He's woeful, can't pass and cannot shoot. Whilst Gerrard is immense on the right, in the middle he is in a world of his own. Gerrard can pull off some amazing long shots and is a decent passer.

Maybe Aquilani could play well in the hole if Rafa decides to ever play him? I think we need an right orthodox right winger. Bar last season, Kuyt has been pretty poor fo us in the whole of his Liverpool career

[Marky]

I still like Kuyt and he's not the only one to be in bad form but by **** he's playing some woeful stuff at the minute.
We need the Kuyt of last season back when he was one of our most consistent performers, particularly in the first half of the season.

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Whilst Kuyt would be better at pressing the opposition midfield/defences, it's what he does with the ball in this possesion that worries me. He's woeful, can't pass and cannot shoot. Whilst Gerrard is immense on the right, in the middle he is in a world of his own. Gerrard can pull off some amazing long shots and is a decent passer.

Maybe Aquilani could play well in the hole if Rafa decides to ever play him? I think we need an right orthodox right winger. Bar last season, Kuyt has been pretty poor fo us in the whole of his Liverpool career

kuyts best work is done off the ball.......says it all i think!!!

[saj]

kuyts best work is done off the ball.......says it all i think!!!

We need players who are good on the ball! Especially when we're not playing well or playing against **** teams!