1 assist in 18.5 hours. Is that what makes a player unstoppable?

[BobTheCharmer]

But he works hard.

so do to the albanians that clean my car for £3 but I wouldn't want them anywhere near a football pitch. buggers even missed a bit just above the rear wheelarch.

[FatTony]

so do to the albanians that clean my car for £3 but I wouldn't want them anywhere near a football pitch. buggers even missed a bit just above the rear wheelarch.

but he works hard though

and Rafa's net spend is ****

[BobTheCharmer]

but he works hard though

and Rafa's net spend is ****

to be fair though he does work those legs of his damn hard.

plus if we're looking at the wider picture, rafa has done an amazing job having spent no money whatsoever in 6 years. perhaps we should swop him for that other money expert martin lewis, him of gmtv fame.

[FatTony]

to be fair though he does work those legs of his damn hard.

plus if we're looking at the wider picture, rafa has done an amazing job having spent no money whatsoever in 6 years. perhaps we should swop him for that other money expert martin lewis, him of gmtv fame.

he'd get half the money we've spent paying out in bank charges too, so his net spend would probably be better too, plus we'd have a better rate on electricity

[BobTheCharmer]

he'd get half the money we've spent paying out in bank charges too, so his net spend would probably be better too, plus we'd have a better rate on electricity

and possibly gas too

[Darkon]

I have said it many times before and will again: Kuyt will never excite me as long as he plays in a forward creative postition. He simply doesn't add what is needed of a right sided forward/winger, in a system where we basically only have 3 creative players and one striker.

His abilities and what he brings to the team would excite me a million times more if he was moved to the DM - where I honestly think he could become better than Mascher. He works hard, has an incredible stamina and could even get forward decently from time to time and score the occasional goal.

But lets face it, it's hardly qualities you would strive for when buying a new right forward to a team is it? You would go for someone with the abilities of Yossi or the like, who can create chances on their own, take on their direct opposition etc.

I just don't understand Kuyt playing that position, 90% of the time he has the ball he stops up and plays it back. Our RB takes on more players than our right forward, and even creates more chances - it doesn't make any sense. And most of the time when people vote for him as MOM it's not because of the chances created or goals scored - it's because of his work rate, which would be fine if he was in another position.

I would even give it a go and swap Kuyt and Johnson to get the creative player forward and let Kuyt work hard at the back.

I really like Kuyt for his profesionalism, his work rate and teamwork - mentality wise he is one of the best we have, but it's just not enough for me to justify the role he has in the team.

[Sadgeek]

From Liverpool-kop website


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Kuyt has a history of barren spells for Liverpool, and despite going through yet another one of those periods right now (1112 minutes and counting), Benitez seemingly refuses to entertain the possibility of dropping the player.

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The situation is exacerbated by the fact that there is no one really challenging Kuyt for his position.

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Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009/11...#ixzz0XxErSJP2

So if I've read this right, then the OP is suggesting that Kuyt should be dropped because he has had barren spells (and despite cries to appease some, clearly doesn't rate Kuyt at all), but then goes on to say that there is no one else to replace him in that position.

Make yer mind up OP!! If you're going to drop a player, at least suggest a realistic alternative instead of just ****-stirring

[Joe King]

But he ****ing works hard!

[andrewces38]

to be fair though he does work those legs of his damn hard.

plus if we're looking at the wider picture, rafa has done an amazing job having spent no money whatsoever in 6 years. perhaps we should swop him for that other money expert martin lewis, him of gmtv fame.

So does my daughter's hamster!!................we need more creativity in the team it's so frustrating to watch at the moment and because of the lack of it players like Kuyt and Lucas is going to get it in the neck more than the other's.Dirk has no pace ,No skill and not a lot of vision he just gets picked for his hard work which is a shame because we are suffering as a result ,Rafa needs to rest/drop him for a few weeks play Johnson there with kelly behind him IMO

[MrMichael]

So does my daughter's hamster!!................we need more creativity in the team it's so frustrating to watch at the moment and because of the lack of it players like Kuyt and Lucas is going to get it in the neck more than the other's.Dirk has no pace ,No skill and not a lot of vision he just gets picked for his hard work which is a shame because we are suffering as a result ,Rafa needs to rest/drop him for a few weeks play Johnson there with kelly behind him IMO

Was pretty much with you up to there. Really, that can't be the answer. Johnson is a right back, he should stay at right back and work on his understanding with the other defenders. We're conceding too many as it is.

I like Kuyt, I've always liked Kuyt, and I think he gets unnecessary criticism for a lot of things. However the team needs to be playing in a certain way for his positives to be accentuated and his negatives minimised, especially playing in this formation. I think our issues are far more fundamental than blaming any individual player - infact a lot of the time they look to be mental... and that is why Kuyt consistently gets picked. Without him our combined mental strength would be even weaker.

[BobTheCharmer]

: Without him our combined mental strength would be even weaker.

Would that mean we'd win even less games though? Somehow I find that hard to imagine. Hell we might even score more without him.

But by the law of averages he's due a goal, when he does get it, the kuyt lovers will be saying 'told you so'. But nothing he does from here on in will change my opinion of him as a footballer.

[DannyMan2006]

Would that mean we'd win even less games though? Somehow I find that hard to imagine. Hell we might even score more without him.

But by the law of averages he's due a goal, when he does get it, the kuyt lovers will be saying 'told you so'. But nothing he does from here on in will change my opinion of him as a footballer.

The thing with Kuyt is that you would really struggle to name a better finisher than him in world football in the position of RM. Ronaldo and Messi aside, I doubt there is many better.

There is also no problems with the crossing ability and movement in the box of Kuyt. Then of course there is the fact that he tracks back and gets stuck in more than any other attacking player in world football.

What he does lack is pace and a good first touch and due to those two the ability to beat a man.

What all this means is that Kuyt is a player that needs to be played high up the pitch, so that when he does get the ball he can do something with it. If he's getting it on the half way line all he has the ability to do is a side ways or backwards ball.

Once Liverpool start playing more adavanced and putting huge pressure on opposing teams Kuyt will once again be a very usefull option coming in of that right hand side.

I personally would always sign attacking players with pace and for ones on the wing ones who have the ability to beat a man and create chances from nothing. Kuyt is not that sort of player, but he will improve.

[andrewces38]

Was pretty much with you up to there. Really, that can't be the answer. Johnson is a right back, he should stay at right back and work on his understanding with the other defenders. We're conceding too many as it is.

I like Kuyt, I've always liked Kuyt, and I think he gets unnecessary criticism for a lot of things. However the team needs to be playing in a certain way for his positives to be accentuated and his negatives minimised, especially playing in this formation. I think our issues are far more fundamental than blaming any individual player - infact a lot of the time they look to be mental... and that is why Kuyt consistently gets picked. Without him our combined mental strength would be even weaker.

I agree with the defensive side of the team but I was working on the creative side of things , with Lucas/macher in the same midfield we are serious lacking creativity and apart from Stevie we must be looking at the flanks for the creative play and at the moment Kuyt is not effective at that ,So the Johnson on the right side is the only option we have from a creative point of view at least until Aquilani is fit and playing regular.

The reason we are conceding is more mental and confidence expecially at set peices and at that point we have 11 men in the box so releasing Johnson from his RB role for a short term wont affect the defence IMO.I would like to rafa at least try other options before Kuyt's confidence is totally shot to peices

[DannyMan2006]

I agree with the defensive side of the team but I was working on the creative side of things , with Lucas/macher in the same midfield we are serious lacking creativity and apart from Stevie we must be looking at the flanks for the creative play and at the moment Kuyt is not effective at that ,So the Johnson on the right side is the only option we have from a creative point of view at least until Aquilani is fit and playing regular.

The reason we are conceding is more mental and confidence expecially at set peices and at that point we have 11 men in the box so releasing Johnson from his RB role for a short term wont affect the defence IMO.I would like to rafa at least try other options before Kuyt's confidence is totally shot to peices

If we were to drop Kuyt I would play Gerrard, Babel, Degen or Yossi on the right before I turned to Johnson. Glen is a RB and still creates plenty of chances, play anyone else at RB and we are likely to miss creativity from that area.

I personally would rather have Johnson and a RM creating chances over just Johnson at RM.

[BillobShaisley]

Yeah that Riquelme has been a great success!

It's not all about excitement and pace, Kuyt has good conrol in a tight space, moves intelligently and plays good balls in and around the box.