The New Manager Thread

[JudgeRed]

if he stays for another year or so he's got a long way to go to win me back round to 100% supporting him and i'll bet i'm not the only one.

no more bull**** tactics rafa. no more bull**** "i'm only thinking of our next game" answers rafa.

if you stay then show you deserve it.

Were you saying this when we did the mancs at OT? Did you say this after spanking Real Madrid?

We ve had a crap season with Torres out injured, Gerrard out injured or simply ****- theres been more to our recent fall than just Rafa Benitez.

Do you want to get rid of Gerrard cos hes had a below par season?

[Mattshark]

Dont shoot the messenger mate, it was relevant to the post above it thats all

Not blaming you mate, just typical Mail crap

[the rev leeroy brown]

Were you saying this when we did the mancs at OT? Did you say this after spanking Real Madrid?

We ve had a crap season with Torres out injured, Gerrard out injured or simply ****- theres been more to our recent fall than just Rafa Benitez.

Do you want to get rid of Gerrard cos hes had a below par season?

no, but i wanted to get rid of rafa becasue bar one season where every other team in the league had a howler and we performed above our own level, i havent been convinced rafa is the man to lead us to domestic glory.

of course there is more to this season being worse than before than just rafa but even the thickest fan must realsie rafa is a huge part of it.

[cream]

Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez admits the World Cup is going to halt his plans for making early transfer deals this summer.

The Reds boss, who has now been linked with Inter Milan, committed his future to the Premier League side in a bid to restore order at Anfield after a turbulent season on and off the field.

The Merseysiders suffered their worst league finish since 1999, while monetary issues with the owners rumbled on throughout the campaign and has now resulted with the club being put up for sale.

Benitez, who has revealed he has a rough idea of how much he has to spend in the close season, confessed he will be unable to do dip into the market before the South Africatournament meaning he faces the risk of paying inflated prices for some of his targets.

"We are working, we know the players but there is an added difficulty - the World Cup," Benitez, who has so far signed Charlton youngster Jonjo Shelvy, told The Sun.

"It makes a lot of people wait. There are players who may have a smaller name but can increase their value.

"There are players who come with a big name and are very expensive. So we have to wait and I think the World Cup will determine the transfer market this year."

On his spending budget, the Spaniard added: "I have an idea and I think it's important to wait and do the right thing at the right moment."

Behaviour

Benitez, who is said have a frosty relationship with many of his Liverpool squad, has defended his management style.

"As a manager, you have to have a specific type of behaviour," he added.

"At times, you keep your distance but those who know you on a day-to-day basis and know your past, know you.

"From then on you can control more or less the image or the cliches that are created around you.

"I try to be respectful, with the media also - sometimes positive, sometimes not so much.

"But society works like this and what you have to do is to stick to your principles.

"Maybe in the world of football there are fewer people who analyse it, recognise it and value it.

"But, in the world of culture, in the university world, they value it and that's important."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6165522,00.html

Sounds like he's been taking drugs. Good to hear we have a transfer budget, would like to see a lot of changes though, the attacking four especially.

[red g]

if he stays for another year or so he's got a long way to go to win me back round to 100% supporting him and i'll bet i'm not the only one.

no more bull**** tactics rafa. no more bull**** "i'm only thinking of our next game" answers rafa.

if you stay then show you deserve it.

I will support him 150% becuase he is our manager, but i dont think its the right move and i am convinced there are players and staff who want him out but he was very clever in signing a massive deal at the optimum moment when his stock was highest, hence we are stuck with him.

Rafa isnt going to change and i fully expect to be seeing lots of away games where we dont go out for the win from the get-go and lots of baffling subs to!!

But hey ho.....he is here so gotta get on with it and support our man.

I do feel though if we dont get off to a great start next year the crowd will turn very quickly against him this season ..........

[Finnish_Red]

no, but i wanted to get rid of rafa becasue bar one season where every other team in the league had a howler and we performed above our own level, i havent been convinced rafa is the man to lead us to domestic glory.

of course there is more to this season being worse than before than just rafa but even the thickest fan must realsie rafa is a huge part of it.

I must be beyond the thickest fan because I think that the 2 old parasites are the huge reason for our current situation.

[dom9]

Gerrard has been a Liverpool player for more than 11 years, making more than 400 appearances for the club that he almost led to Barclays Premier League glory a year ago.

So Gerrard 'almost led' us to the title. Rafa had nothing to do with, nor did the rest of the staff and squad.

Obviously.

[MrMichael]

Do you think the subject is open to wider argumentation? It's been done to death and there is nothing else to be said about it more than it's been said.

So either you close a thread which has been running for months, or you put up with it and moderate when things go out of hand such as people insulting each other.

The thread isn't getting closed. Stop trying to force the issue dude, it was perfectly legitimate in my opinion to call into question your prolonging of a direction in this thread that has indeed been "done to death". Its just so counter-productive, I really don't get it, why not start or contribute to some new, different topics instead?

I just think that Reece is descriminating a few people, of which I'm included. Try to do something like this at work and you'll get unions on your back.

No he isn't and its nothing like that. I'll give you a far better analogy. Its like a group of people decide to have a house party for all their mates, few of the lads who turn up have a few too many drinks and start arguing loudly in the corner, which is ok for a bit but after a while it starts to drown out the music and brings everyone else down. They seem to be having fun despite the heated debate, and they're decent fellas when they're sober, but right now they're doing your head in and a few people look like leaving.

Do you
(a) Try to ignore them and only intervene if it gets physical?
(b) Have a word with them, try to distract them, get one to go to the garden for fresh air?
(c) Pick them up and throw them through the window?

[dom9]

The thread isn't getting closed. Stop trying to force the issue dude, it was perfectly legitimate in my opinion to call into question your prolonging of a direction in this thread that has indeed been "done to death". Its just so counter-productive, I really don't get it, why not start or contribute to some new, different topics instead?



No he isn't and its nothing like that. I'll give you a far better analogy. Its like a group of people decide to have a house party for all their mates, few of the lads who turn up have a few too many drinks and start arguing loudly in the corner, which is ok for a bit but after a while it starts to drown out the music and brings everyone else down. They seem to be having fun despite the heated debate, and they're decent fellas when they're sober, but right now they're doing your head in and a few people look like leaving.

Do you
(a) Try to ignore them and only intervene if it gets physical?
(b) Have a word with them, try to distract them, get one to go to the garden for fresh air?
(c) Pick them up and throw them through the window?

c) .

[dww]

I will support him 150% becuase he is our manager, but i dont think its the right move and i am convinced there are players and staff who want him out but he was very clever in signing a massive deal at the optimum moment when his stock was highest, hence we are stuck with him.

I'm pretty sure there are people (Purlslow chief amongst them) who want Rafa gone at the club. I think in general though their motivations are personal and financial and have little to do with the good of the club.

In terms of players I think you might be right. However I think a number of them let themselves, the club and the manager down this season with their attitude. I really think there are more problems with the players than there is with Rafa. Even if I accept that Rafa has a number of faults (don't all managers?).

Rafa isnt going to change and i fully expect to be seeing lots of away games where we dont go out for the win from the get-go and lots of baffling subs to!!

But hey ho.....he is here so gotta get on with it and support our man.

I do feel though if we dont get off to a great start next year the crowd will turn very quickly against him this season ..........

Something's about Rafa won't change - he has principles based on possession and pressure. Many things seem to change year on year - we played two up front for a while, we used to be a team of giants we now have many more diminutive players and more short passing orientated players.

I remain completely unconvinced that a substitution being baffling to lay people is a good criticism. Especially when at the start of last season the stats backed up the fact that Rafa's substitutions were more productive than any other manager in the leagues. Sometimes perception is disjoint from reality (see this seasons corner conversion stats for example).

[Vermilion]

Deleted my post as i never realised someone had beaten me to it....dom answered c to MrM's quiz as did i, but it just looked like i was copying, Don't know what to say now...hmmm, it's hot today eh..

Anyway, why is this thread still open ?

[dom9]

Deleted my post as i never realised someone had beaten me to it....dom answered c to MrM's quiz as did i, but it just looked like i was copying, Don't know what to say now...hmmm, it's hot today eh..

Anyway, why is this thread still open ?

It was a good question though. Perhaps we could have a poll?

[Vermilion]

It was a good question though. Perhaps we could have a poll?

[MrMichael]

I must be beyond the thickest fan because I think that the 2 old parasites are the huge reason for our current situation.

They certainly are.

Benitez, like or loathe his preferred styles of play and management, was building a team that could regularly challenge for the title, evidenced by our challenge in 08-09, and had made us a real top force in Europe. He'd certainly spent a good amount, and had undoubtedly made mistakes, but in terms of winning what is an incredibly competitive league, we were getting bloody close. And at just the time we were getting there the plug was pulled financially, a club which has been taking record revenues (in no small part down to repeated longevity in Europe) has been throttled by having to pay for its own purchase.

This is utterly ****, and as is will severely hamper any manager.

However, I don't personally feel it accounts entirely for just how far we fell back last season, how consistently poor our play, how little belief the team seemed to have, and how fractured the dressing room seems. If Rafa does stay I really hope the team can somehow regain some sort of real fighting mentality and togetherness, because if not this is all going to get very messy.

[MrMichael]

It was a good question though. Perhaps we could have a poll?

The more people who answer (c) just shows how tolerant the mods on here really are.