The New Manager Thread

[Woobus]

Does anybody know how much Mourinho spent at Porto?

On players or paying off referees?

[Lecter]

1 thing i am certain about is .....the first sight of trouble that rafa has had to endure and JOse would have ****ed off imo.

Agreed

Also Rafa is a pretty lively pesonality at times but hes nothing to Mourinho

I could see Mourinho and our owners coming to blows because lets face it our owners make Abramovich look like Mother Theresa

[Assassin]

[Craig_H]

I love you fence-sitters

[Parr_Zee]

Martin O'Neill would do an awesome job here!

[Craig_H]

Anyone. Zippy. Bungle. George. Just not rafa anymore.

[kemm1]

Martin O'Neill would do an awesome job here!

[Parr_Zee]

Ha Ha

[Slinky Skills]

Someone I forgot to mention the other day was Tony Pulis, at least he'd instill some passion in the team and make them learn how to make a tackle, something most of them don't know how to do right at this present time.

[Mox79]

The bad times have just kicked off! If Rafa goes we will probably end up with some like Mick bloody McCarthy. We will not get a decent manager cus.......well would you want the job?

I have two thoughts and i don't know which is right??
In one hand it's a new era of football managment at our club, but only a few can see it! Our manager has nothing to work with, (apart from a selected few and some too old to be able) and now financial backing. We are completly stagnated ON and OFF the field. Which is to blame? Obviously one has effected the other?
In this senario if Rafa goes then we need to look at the king. I don't think he will win the league for us as we don't have the finances to support a challenage. However, he make us stable.

In the other hand i think, ****ing hell Rafa you have spent **** loads and most have been ****! One or two have been shipped out of the club on arrival, because A) you cant get them a work permit! Great management that! Sign a player we can't play! B) you havent played them in position or at all, they have got pissed off with you because of this and side lined them! Your tactics have failed you, your negitive approach is what other teams pray you do, every match day. It's so negitive that the players even look it before they kick a ball. This is england, and LFC we should play attractive attacking football, we shouldnt have to defend, we should put the ****s up every one......instead other teams look forward to playing us as they know we will grant them at least a point.

Oh i can't be ****ed with this any more...............whatever!!

THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR ****ING UP OUR CLUB!!! Players, coachers, manager and owners............******S!!!

[TheElephantMan]

We will not get a decent manager cus.......well would you want the job?

THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR ****ING UP OUR CLUB!!! Players, coachers, manager and owners............******S!!!

We are without doubt one of the biggest clubs in the World, who wouldn't want the job?

Are you really a Liverpool supporter?

[el matador]

the team is lacking passion and motivation at the moment. That has to be down to the manager to instill some passion and fight into the team.

Instead our players are easily bullied and intimiated and we walk about the pitch like a bunch of pansies.

Masher apart, no one else in our midfield looks like they fancy it at all.

[Kinell]

Someone I forgot to mention the other day was Tony Pulis, at least he'd instill some passion in the team and make them learn how to make a tackle, something most of them don't know how to do right at this present time.

To be fair with the team we have now, thats all we need.

I would really like Mourinho to come in but would prefer Rafa out. Everything has been said, done to death, he isn't the man for us anymore.

[Lecter]

the team is lacking passion and motivation at the moment. That has to be down to the manager to instill some passion and fight into the team.

Instead our players are easily bullied and intimiated and we walk about the pitch like a bunch of pansies.

Masher apart, no one else in our midfield looks like they fancy it at all.

A couple of posts from RAWK

Couldn't be more depressed about football after last night. First half awful, second half better but I never felt we were near turning it around. It cut me to the core because firstly how important it is to finish fourth but secondly because it was hard to put my finger on where it went wrong.

I'm a big Rafa supporter and I start off slagging Gerrard, who was ****e and looked disinterested, then I'm on to Carra, what the ****s he not signing his contract for, especially at the moment, Mr Liverpool, I'd play for them for **** all, who the **** does he think he is. Then for the first time, I even start to have doubts in Benitez, it did look as if he's lost the dressing room last night. That's why I'm having a go at two of our best players.

I look on here and see the thoughts I'm having in my head reflected in real arguments on here. I read posts both blaming and defending Rafa, Gerrard, Carra, Kuyt, and Lucas. All real, all argued with passion, all argued knowing that the backdrop is we're on the brink.

The more I think about it, there's one thing I keep coming back to, that helps me make sense off the situation and it's an old Russian saying; A fish rots from the head. Literally this is not true, but as a saying it's survived because it contains alot of sense.

In other words when things go wrong, the rot sets in from the top. Our Club is a mess, a laughing stock, riddled with debt, owned by Cowboys who won't sell but can't raise the finance to satisfy the banks. Who's running it? The Cowboys, The banks, Pursloe, probably a bit of all three. Are we going to find new investors? are they going to be suitable? are we jumping out of the frying pan into the fire? or is it stay with the Cowboys, Firesale of top players, gradual decline, mixture of the two, who knows? One thing is certain is this is not the background to build a dynasty. To craft a football team that can dominate both home and abroad, and that is what we're after.

There are those that say that this is all irrelevant, a great manager rises above all this, doesn't let it effect him and keep their analysis to tactics and coaching. In part they have a point, but there is only so long this can be done, before the structural mismanagement feeds through and scuppers any well laid plans to overcome the economic realities of the situation, Management is not just tactics but managing the expectations of young multi millionaires who only have a short career to amass medals and lucrative contracts, there's only so long they are willing to put their faith in any project. They more than anyone know the harsh economic realities that dictate modern football. All this puts massive pressure on any manager.

Benitez was brought to the club because of his work with Valencia, a team that showed us how to play football, He decides to come to build his life project, He take us to Two European finals, we win the European Cup, We are back to countless european quaters and semi's, we have a team that last year were true contenders not just for the leauge but for being one of the best in Europe. This has been done on a comparitively shoestring budget, during this time Benitez has had to have a massive political battle not of his choosing, but just to survive in his job. To imagine that this has no effect on the playing side is niave in the extreme. All the pressures, all the off-field worries of the manager and the players all take there tole. What we are seeing is chickens coming home to roost. Yes, the problems people point to are real problems, but that's the point. When things go wrong at the top, no one knows how the rot manifests itself, but if the head is rotten it will work it's way through.

I was wrong last night, the problems not Gerrard or Carragher or Benitez or Kuyt, these are the people who are trying to solve the problem in impossible circumstances. They've had their fingers in the dyke for too long. Why I'm really so sad today is that the future looks so grim with our owners. This isn't a football problem. I had to laugh at those touting Mourinihio last night, wrong on so many levels but talk about ignoring reality, I'm sure The Cowboys are just writing the cheques now. Get real. If Rafa has come to the end of the line, I can only dread which stooge those pair of cowboys would saddle us with. If Benitez goes it's the end of an era, and to paraphase others, we could be very sorry what we've wished for.
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Superb post that mate. I think you have nailed the crux of that, short careers and large ambitions. Ambitions that players have to believe they can realise at this club. I think the sale of Alonso and the lack of funds available for a replacement broke the spirit of the team, it shouldn't of, but it did. Now if I mix my excavating metaphors we are in a rut and with no sign of further investment there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

You want the players to rise above that, you want the manager to rise above that, it seems that they can't, perhaps other managers or other players could. That's a moot point though because whichever changes of personnel you make at that level the fundamental problem still remains that through incomptence and lies at the top, this football club is no longer capable of operating at the level of our expectations, never mind our aspirations. And that applies to the fans, the players and the manager.

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Re: Fishes rot from the head.
« Reply #6 on: March 9, 2010, 02:26:31 PM »Quote I worked for a company about 7 years ago who had a change of ownership and management at the very top. This new head management brought ineptitude, short-sightedness and lack of ambition to the direction in which this well functioning company had been going. It didn't take long at all for this malaise to descend upon the average worker in the company, i.e. me. Whereas once I never had to concern myself with the goings on at the top, and I was happy to work away to the best of my ability and collect my pay cheque on a Friday, I, and every other worker to a man, completely lost interest in the health of this company, resigned ourselves to the fact it was taking on water, and drowned in the helplessness which ensued. As simply a small cog to this company, my thoughts and feelings, and those of my fellow workers were never really taken into account. However, as the small cogs of this company, once this degeneration kicked in, it was all downhill from there for us. I was out of a job 18 months later.

Similarly, footballers (however much the cliches surround them of being generally dim), are not automotons. If I was playing in a team that finished 2nd last season, and ran the eventual winners down until the 2nd last weekend, and then failed to show any ambition at the top for pushing on during the close season, then I'd have serious motivational issues also. Even if I'd been there all my carreer.

Fish indeed, rot from the head down.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the new owners of that company had told a few porkies about development and direction. Sounds familiar.

[Lecter]

and another (this one I agree with more than any other)

.....the buck stops with the manager.

I used to believe that fervently, back when we had real football. But since money - and owners - have stolen the game from us, the buck stops now at the very top.

In our case not only does the buck stop at G&H, the bucks have stopped full stop.

There's yer problem!

I believe The92A has truly connected his mallet with the little spike's bonce. Rafa's like an artist commissioned with a painting and told to do it with his hands tied behind his back for half the time. People under that amount of pressure are bound to make mistakes - and I would say that Rafa has made a few tactical errors this season, he's human, he's not infallible but has he made so much of a balls-up that he should be sacked? No, I believe not.

Change the manager, you still have the same owners. The fish still rots.

Change the owners, perhaps then you might see Rafa painting the Sistine Chapel, both arms freed, a fully-motivated squad.

If changing the owners doesn't change the results, then all eyes should be on the manager - quite rightly.

But this situation is not as clear-cut as you suggest. It's not even as clear cut as changing the owners......unless we Let The Right One In.........

I think the day we change our club for the better is the day we own it.