The New Manager Thread

[dww]

badpiggy's post amused me at least which in the context of this thread at least gives it some point. It would still be prefered if we could have a sensible discussion though.

There was an interesting point raised last night in the 5Live chat after the Chelsea game which was that the big teams in the PL other than Chelsea seem to want to create a dynasty with managers in long term and policies to develop different levels of the club. Chelsea seem to have tried to switch to that policy, well everywhere but the manager, but their fans still have the expectations that they will buy in upgrades to the team even though that hasn't really been the way for a couple of seasons. This summer will be a big crossroads for them when they decide how many of their old timers to persevere with and whether Ancelloti was the right choice.

I think part of the choice of any new manager at a top team has to be about how you see them developing the squad long term. Any change is likely to derail the existing structures which in our case are only a year old.

I do wonder if in a few years the talk will be less of our lack of transfer funds not because they have gone up but because only City will have much more than us by necessity or design.

[Guest]

there is, but then there has been no need to play lucas/Masher in the centre in 75%+ games this season and no need to have persevered with Kuyt when he is obviously struggling.

That is down to Rafa as far as I am aware........

Kuyt and Mascherano played a pivotal role for us last season and even if Kuyt's form has been poor at times he still scored some crucial goals which made us look a little less '****e'.

[Craig_H]

There are explanations as to why we've been **** this season but keep dismissing them and keep on banging on how bad Rafa is, how defensive minded his teams are etc ....

The long and short of it is that, with all things considered, we shouldnt be facing an almighty struggle to achieve 4th. But we are.

So in the context of Mourinho 'only' doing what you'd expect - i'd like us to do the same.

[RichC]

He's got more resources, always have been. His record over Rafa in the CL 0-2. I rest my case.

I have to admire your staunch backing of Rafa but do you really believe it's not time for a change ?

If Mourinho is interested he would be a great guy to take us forwards - the one thing Rafa lacks is the motivational side of managing a side and in the Premiership I think this is a massive part of getting the best from your players - as much as I hate to admit it Fergie is great at it - ex players comment on how he does **** all on the training ground but knows how to get the best from his players - Mourinho has this, Rafa unfortunately doesn't seem to be able to do it - perhaps he's too clinical I don't know.

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Kuyt and Mascherano played a pivotal role for us last season and even if Kuyt's form has been poor at times he still scored some crucial goals which made us look a little less '****e'.

Yes but its clear since the turn of the year he needed a break, and happy with masher and also happy wiht Lucas just not happy with Lucas/Masher

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badpiggy's post amused me at least which in the context of this thread at least gives it some point. It would still be prefered if we could have a sensible discussion though.

There was an interesting point raised last night in the 5Live chat after the Chelsea game which was that the big teams in the PL other than Chelsea seem to want to create a dynasty with managers in long term and policies to develop different levels of the club. Chelsea seem to have tried to switch to that policy, well everywhere but the manager, but their fans still have the expectations that they will buy in upgrades to the team even though that hasn't really been the way for a couple of seasons. This summer will be a big crossroads for them when they decide how many of their old timers to persevere with and whether Ancelloti was the right choice.

I think part of the choice of any new manager at a top team has to be about how you see them developing the squad long term. Any change is likely to derail the existing structures which in our case are only a year old.

I do wonder if in a few years the talk will be less of our lack of transfer funds not because they have gone up but because only City will have much more than us by necessity or design.

i was driving home last night and heard a chelsea fan on Talksport i kid you not it went something like this.....


'tonight was an utter disgrace the team just didnt care and we need to bring back Mourinho, I have been a season ticket holder for 4 years and last night was awful.....i might as well go back to being a fulham fan if thats the sort of rubbish they are going to serve up'

sums up the new age chelsea fan perfectly i though

[Kenneth]

How is it ****e? You're all banging about Mourihno but I've shown parallels that he has the same style as Rafa. There's undeniable evidence that he has built his teams spending a lot of money, arguably not Porto - which had an excellent team when he took charge anyway.

If you want to argue a point please do it, just don't come round replying to my posts and taking it out of context, it really pisses me off.

No idea what you are ranting about. You said beating Chelsea was not feat as they were distinctly average. That's ****e. Where's the wider context?

[Guest]

No idea what you are ranting about. You said beating Chelsea was not feat as they were distinctly average. That's ****e. Where's the wider context?

The wider context is simply that there's no point boasting about how good Mourihno is based on putting Chelsea out of the CL. Capiche?

[Kenneth]

The wider context is simply that there's no point boasting about how good Mourihno is based on putting Chelsea out of the CL. Capiche?

Ok, good job I didn't then.

[badpiggy]

The wider context is simply that there's no point boasting about how good Mourihno is based on putting Chelsea out of the CL. Capiche?

you've nearly based a whole argument about benitez' superiority to mourinho on the fact that he's beaten him twice in the CL.

[Tee]

I hate Mourinho with a passion but I have to say that if I was tasked (as a neutral) to find a Manager who will give us the best chance of another league title before Stevie and Carra retire or leave, then it would have to be Mourinho.

We will not win many popularity contests but winning a league title would be far more likely with him at the helm.

I also get the feeling he really wants the job (if it ever becomes available).

[Guest]

I hate Mourinho with a passion but I have to say that if I was tasked (as a neutral) to find a Manager who will give us the best chance of another league title before Stevie and Carra retire or leave, then it would have to be Mourinho.

We will not win many popularity contests but winning a league title would be far more likely with him at the helm.

I also get the feeling he really wants the job (if it ever becomes available).

Fail.

[badpiggy]

He's got more resources, always have been. His record over Rafa in the CL 0-2. I rest my case.

[Guest]

Does it show that I base my whole argument on that?

If I had to list all the arguments I've put forward in favour of Rafa all over the years I'd never finish. I've never said he was flawless though, I just don't see the point of being boringly regressive about it.

I prefer to emphasise the positives and Rafa has got many; and before the usual suspect comes along with his 4th place / 7th place argument, I don't like to rest on such simplistic statements.

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Does it show that I base my whole argument on that?

If I had to list all the arguments I've put forward in favour of Rafa all over the years I'd never finish. I've never said he was flawless though, I just don't see the point of being boringly regressive about it.

I prefer to emphasise the positives and Rafa has got many; and before the usual suspect comes along with his 4th place / 7th place argument, I don't like to rest on such simplistic statements.

that sums us up pretty well this season