Benitez has lost the players

[red g]

I must have posted the Aquilani fee structure a thousand times - we're committed to paying Roma the FULL €20m fee, broken down over (I think) a 3 year period, with the fee rising above €20m should the club hit certain targets. LFC signed the contract, we have to pay it in FULL. Only way would be to renegotiate with the selling club.

As for Johnson, those numbers don't really stack up either. Why would we not have got the "£9m" owed from the Crouch deal? Didn't the premier league withhold TV money from the club and actually use that to pay off transfer debts? We'd have seen most, if not all, of that money, so we didn't buy Johnson for £8m. We paid £17m. Otherwise we sold Crouch for £2m... which we didn't.

sack parry

[CJ]

i think with the aqua man purchase the intial fee may have been all we could spend this summer when we got to that point ie after buying johnson etc.

i wonder as tranfers are structured whether (apart from being owned by arseholes) we are suffering in cash available terms from past purchases ie riena and torres and mascher

or did the sell on fee from alonso **** us a bit i e we had to pay more out than the down payment?

[Vermilion]

I must have posted the Aquilani fee structure a thousand times - we're committed to paying Roma the FULL €20m fee, broken down over (I think) a 3 year period, with the fee rising above €20m should the club hit certain targets. LFC signed the contract, we have to pay it in FULL. Only way would be to renegotiate with the selling club.

As for Johnson, those numbers don't really stack up either. Why would we not have got the "£9m" owed from the Crouch deal? Didn't the premier league withhold TV money from the club and actually use that to pay off transfer debts? We'd have seen most, if not all, of that money, so we didn't buy Johnson for £8m. We paid £17m. Otherwise we sold Crouch for £2m... which we didn't.

So i don't misunderstand..are you saying this as fact, the aquilani bit ?

[Rich]

The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 4 cash instalments of
- - 5 million EURO upfront
- - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearancs, 70 appearances, 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.

[Vermilion]

So you are then... i didn't know the figures had been published. ta.

I was under the impression it wouldn't rise to 20mill unless he stayed fit and played a certain number of games, but that must have just been someones opinion, or rumour.

[Lecter]

I must have posted the Aquilani fee structure a thousand times - we're committed to paying Roma the FULL €20m fee, broken down over (I think) a 3 year period, with the fee rising above €20m should the club hit certain targets. LFC signed the contract, we have to pay it in FULL. Only way would be to renegotiate with the selling club.

As for Johnson, those numbers don't really stack up either. Why would we not have got the "£9m" owed from the Crouch deal? Didn't the premier league withhold TV money from the club and actually use that to pay off transfer debts? We'd have seen most, if not all, of that money, so we didn't buy Johnson for £8m. We paid £17m. Otherwise we sold Crouch for £2m... which we didn't.

The Premier League only withheld money AFTER we had done the Johnson deal

The full scale of their problems had not come to light by the time we concluded the Johnson deal

Crouch was sold for £11 million if I remember rightly on a 4 year deal. Obviously payments would have been structured over that entire length of his contract

From what I understand is Portsmouth had already missed one payment to us last season and we were informed that the further payment would have been unlikely to be received either

All we got from Crouch in monetary terms was the initial downpayment

[Kenneth]

Bit of a simplistic idea

Johnson's £17 million valuation included £9 million owed to us from Portsmouth for Crouch. IF we hadnt bought Johnson we wouldnt have seen any of that £9 million back.

So I'd argue in real terms of budget (hard cash spent) Johnson probably only cost £8 million

Aquilani's fee is also dependant on appearances and ultimately success we have on the pitch.

I think the initial downpayment for Aquilani is something like £5 million with only a small proportion of the remaining fee in guaranteed installments something like £1-2 million per annum with a maximum upto £20 million depending on appearances etc.....

There is no way that the 9 million would have been written off. And you'd think we were in a good negotiating position on that one yet we still spunked an extra 8m into thr deal.

[red g]

There is no way that the 9 million would have been written off. And you'd think we were in a good negotiating position on that one yet we still spunked an extra 8m into thr deal.

it would have been if pompey went under.

[Lecter]

There is no way that the 9 million would have been written off. And you'd think we were in a good negotiating position on that one yet we still spunked an extra 8m into thr deal.

I'm saying we wouldnt have seen that £9 million owed to us

SO it might have been worth purchasing Johnson for £8 million (because hes worth more than that) for resale value alone at least you would recoup some of the £9 million you were NEVER going to get from Portsmouth

I'm not saying Rafa didnt want Johnson and was forced into the deal, I'm saying that people need to be wary when saying he spunked £17 million on him which he could have spent better elsewhere. Because in real cash terms Johnson cost nowhere near £17 million

[Baracus]

Look mate, if it makes you feel better thinking that thengood
for you but the sooner people face up to reality the better. Gerrard was blatantly pissed off. He is already dissilusioned by the lack of talent around him let alone taking off the only top class striker we have got when 4th place is slipping away from us.

I'm not anti rafa I'm just being realistic, you know it's
coming to an end when you start wondering if someone else could do a
better job.

Gerrard needs a new manager for a start he has lost respect for rafa you can tell. Maybe because of the situation and lack of competition for places. You need to take into account the whole season.

Mate, its hard to tell at the best of times, Wtf Gerrard is thinking on the pitch, because as a player he is one the least vocal on the pitch never mind being the captain on the pitch. His interviews lack character IMO compared to someone like Carra or Pepe. He's like a stiff cardboard.

Also if he thinks that the players around him are ****e,it does not give him and excuse to stop playing football and sulk. He did it in 2005 he can do it again. If his heart is not in it, he should go. Rather than dragging the whole team down. I would not mind either way what happens to the manager at the end of the season. Sometimes the players have to stand up and admit they have been awful throughout the season.

[PTP]

The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 4 cash instalments of
- - 5 million EURO upfront
- - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearancs, 70 appearances, 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.

lmao - i've read this a thousand times now! do you have it saved in a word document so you can cut and paste it everyday

[PTP]

thinking about it - have you got a source for your information rich??

[Kenneth]

I'm saying we wouldnt have seen that £9 million owed to us

SO it might have been worth purchasing Johnson for £8 million (because hes worth more than that) for resale value alone at least you would recoup some of the £9 million you were NEVER going to get from Portsmouth

Nonsense.

I'm not saying Rafa didnt want Johnson and was forced into the deal, I'm saying that people need to be wary when saying he spunked £17 million on him which he could have spent better elsewhere. Because in real cash terms Johnson cost nowhere near £17 million

Real cash He cost 17 million. Or at least Crouch and 8 million, which is at least 17 million imo.

Should have taken Crouch back.

Anyway, Aqilani was a **** signing, Johnson was an excessively expensive RB and we don't have a proper second striker. No wonder we find ourselves in situation like having to rest Torres in crucial games.

[Redspin]

It's all over now it's only a matter of time before he leaves he has lost the respect of the players. Gerrards face when he substituted Torres said it all, he has lost the respect of Gerrard and the fans and I can't see him getting it back.

It's sad to see.

Gerrard's always got a face like a smacked arse so I wouldn't jump to conclusions. After the season Gerrard's had he's not really in a situation where he can lose respect for others. As other posters have pointed out, our performance improved markedly after an obviously knackered Torres went off. We created loads more chances than before. Gerrard sulking is irrelevant

[Rich]

thinking about it - have you got a source for your information rich??

Cock!