I hope you're proud of yourselves

[Red11]

I don't think Rafa fell out with several star players. I think he mentioned 'one or two', most probably Gerrard & Carragher.

Sacking Rafa has been a disaster. There are no two ways about it, an absolute disaster.

[fred_plasticine]

I'm not really arguing that the board did no wrong, it takes two parties to end in a feud, and the board and Rafa most likely had equal parts in that. The board could perhaps have stood up more for Rafa, or perhaps Rafa could have choosen to fight the battle in a less confrontational way?

My main point was though that if the relationship had fallen beyond repair then there where no other choice, and if rumours about his falling out with several squad players came on top that leaves little else to do from a view consisting of others than Rafa being a good manager on the pitch.

it's obvious that rafa - intentionally or not - antagonises people around him. he really doesn't pick his battles carefully. he goes on attack on pretty much every front available and doesn't seem to understand the need to build alleys and bridges.
that's fine if you do work work perfectly well. once you offer those you antagonise a stick to beat you with or a chance to get rid of you they will do so without hesitation. and he did offer them plenty last season.

[dww]

Surely then dww, it begs the question: how much do you/we trust Purslow/Broughton to deal with the football side of the equation? They've shown their mettle on the financial side (take a bow Mr Ayre) but are amateurish in spotting management talent.

I agree and that is pretty much the view I have put forward in the Purslow/Broughton threads. I'm with you and Rich in that clearly they have expertise in one area needed to run the club (finance) but not the other (football). Purslow in particular doesn't appear to have the self awareness to distinguish the two.

Broughton looks set to leave but it will be interesting to see what happens to Purslow.

I'd like to see a director of football bought in to advise the new owners. I have to say I do have worries about that being Kenny. I know he preferred himself to Roy for the job but he is from both what he has said publicly and what I have heard he has said privately of the opinion that he is a good manager. I also think having been out of the game for a while his knowledge may be somewhat out dated and we need to be thinking long term in my opinion.

[Shaggy]

We should only have sacked Rafa if we had someone better lined up

Hodgson is massively overrated

So overrated that one of the selection panel asked to be excused from the appointment process and to be considered for the position himself

It's simple. I think vonk has got the arse on cos in the 'welcome Hodgson thread', he spat his dummy out at those of us saying it was a **** appointment by calling everyone drama queens.

[Fredo]

Yup, I saw an interview where Kenny stated that Roy was a 'fantastic manager'!

[Lecter]

I agree and that is pretty much the view I have put forward in the Purslow/Broughton threads. I'm with you and Rich in that clearly they have expertise in one area needed to run the club (finance) but not the other (football). Purslow in particular doesn't appear to have the self awareness to distinguish the two.

Broughton looks set to leave but it will be interesting to see what happens to Purslow.

I'd like to see a director of football bought in to advise the new owners. I have to say I do have worries about that being Kenny. I know he preferred himself to Roy for the job but he is from both what he has said publicly and what I have heard he has said privately of the opinion that he is a good manager. I also think having been out of the game for a while his knowledge may be somewhat out dated and we need to be thinking long term in my opinion.

What Kenny said regarding Hodgson (privately or publicly) tends to be at odds with the fact that he asked to be removed from the selection process and considered for the job

Why do that if he held the opinion that Hodgson was right for the job?

[Arn]

What Kenny said regarding Hodgson (privately or publicly) tends to be at odds with the fact that he asked to be removed from the selection process and considered for the job

Why do that if he held the opinion that Hodgson was right for the job?

The selection process was only there to please the fans. The board had decided to sign Roy even before the selection process started IMO.

Kenny discovered that and decided that he would do a better job than Roy.

[dww]

What Kenny said regarding Hodgson (privately or publicly) tends to be at odds with the fact that he asked to be removed from the selection process and considered for the job

Why do that if he held the opinion that Hodgson was right for the job?

I've said before - Kenny clearly thinks he is better suited to the job than Roy. That can be because he has great faith in himself as manager, which is fair enough and doesn't impact on whether he rates Roy as good enough to do a decent job for us.

[Neil Young]

I've said before - Kenny clearly thinks he is better suited to the job than Roy. That can be because he has great faith in himself as manager, which is fair enough and doesn't impact on whether he rates Roy as good enough to do a decent job for us.

...which clearly he isn't.

[Red11]

I'd like to see a director of football bought in to advise the new owners. I have to say I do have worries about that being Kenny. I know he preferred himself to Roy for the job but he is from both what he has said publicly and what I have heard he has said privately of the opinion that he is a good manager. I also think having been out of the game for a while his knowledge may be somewhat out dated and we need to be thinking long term in my opinion.

Regarding this, i asked in that thread if anyone knew what David Dein was up to?

[Galb]

I was annoyed that Kenny was apparently the one who ruled out Pellegrini. He was my choice of those available.

I dont believe that for a second. Paul Dalglish said only last week that people think Kenny has more influence than he has at the club.

As far as Im concerned, the board (well, one member at least) is using Kenny as a cover for things that they think might be controversial. Its why he was originally asked to be involved in the selection process. Not because they wanted his input, but because they knew some people wouldnt like the Hodgson appointment but Kenny would give it credibility.

Its also why we keep seeing stories leaking out about Kenny's involvement in turning Pelligrini down, etc, etc.

For someone who's son says he's 'only an Academy coach', he sure seems to be involved in making a lot of important decisions that, oooh, you might expect the MD to be making.


Id also wager that there's a reasonable possibility that Dalglish Junior is expressing at least some views that his old man cant given his current position at the club.

[Shaggy]

I don't even believe Pellegrini was ever a real candidate. Reckon the interview with him was just a token gesture. Hodgson was on the cards from about March/April.

[dww]

...which clearly he isn't.

I agree. Or at least I'm almost completely convinced that Roy is totally unsuitable for the job now.

The thing is that I do struggle to identify many managers who I think would be. It would be great to hear first hand the honest views of people like Dalglish of what is needed and what Roy may or may not offer. I guess there are too many constraining factors, along with the moronic nature of sports journalism in this country for that to ever happen.

Regarding this, i asked in that thread if anyone knew what David Dein was up to?

That would be a very interesting appointment.

[dww]

I don't even believe Pellegrini was ever a real candidate. Reckon the interview with him was just a token gesture. Hodgson was on the cards from about March/April.

I never got the feeling it was a real competition.

[erick]

Would you agree he over achieved with Fulham?

Based on your logic, Bryant Robson is a better manager than Hodgson, he took the relegated M'Boro to double cup finals, UEFA cup and FA cup.

Is Robson your choice?