I hope you're proud of yourselves

[vonk]

Anyone that thought Hodgson was going to do a better job than Rafa is either deluded or believed the crap the press were spouting. You just have to look at his record, he has never won anything of any importance. Replacing Rafa with Hodgson is like replacing a porsche with a lada.

You obviously haven't read my post.

[vonk]

Er, hadnt Blackburn won the league a season or two before he got them relegated?

And didnt he just get Fulham back to where they were when Coleman was in charge?

So basically, we appointed someone who's better than Lawrie Sanchez.

I dont think you needed to have a crystal ball to see how that would work out.

Coleman got them to a UEFA Cup Final?

[vonk]

Exactly ..."what defines a better manager?" - er, a CV? Some of us actually looked at Hodgson's CV and it is indisputably ****.

Why don't you read what I said rather than simply react to what you think I'm saying? You don't get my point about squads?

[vonk]

thats the same flawed logic that Fat Sam has used to convince himself he'd win the lot if given the Real Madrid job.

Except he's doing a **** job with them. My point is that managers who do a good job with an average squad can get bigger jobs. I am saying that the experiment has failed, but how anyone can say that his record at previous clubs showed he is a **** manager is using the same logic that Rafa could win the European Cup with Fulham.

[Fredo]

Except he's doing a **** job with them. My point is that managers who do a good job with an average squad can get bigger jobs. I am saying that the experiment has failed, but how anyone can say that his record at previous clubs showed he is a **** manager is using the same logic that Rafa could win the European Cup with Fulham.

No one has said that Hodgson's a '**** manager' per se, just that he's out of his depth at Liverpool. He just doesn't get our club at all, then he's done nothing (like in high profile jobs - for example winning trophies he's won bollocks) to justify all the crap he's uttering.

[Eric Swindler]

Except he's doing a **** job with them. My point is that managers who do a good job with an average squad can get bigger jobs. I am saying that the experiment has failed, but how anyone can say that his record at previous clubs showed he is a **** manager is using the same logic that Rafa could win the European Cup with Fulham.

Roy, before he arrived, didn't excite me but I was like, ok he's done a good job at fulham, lets see what he can do here. I certainly didn't have any negative preconceptions about him as many people did. You're right, this experiment has failed but this doesn't jusfty the negative preconceptions of those fans in any fashion whatsoever, but rather goes to show that there is a big leap from Fulham to Liverpool these days and small club success doesn't necessarily translate to bigger clubs without a degree of luck. Roy didn't fit the bill in hindsight, but that's not to say someone else from a so called smaller club would not.

[vonk]

No one has said that Hodgson's a '**** manager' per se, just that he's out of his depth at Liverpool. He just doesn't get our club at all, then he's done nothing (like in high profile jobs - for example winning trophies he's won bollocks) to justify all the crap he's uttering.

I'm not disagreeing with any of this Nigel, if you read my posts. I'm not justifying that Hodgson is doing a good job at all. I'm countering the argument that when we made the change anyone could see that Hodgson was not going to be an improvement on Rafa. Also that we would gladly take 7th place now, which I wouldn't, because 7th place is rubbish also.

[vonk]

Roy, before he arrived, didn't excite me but I was like, ok he's done a good job at fulham, lets see what he can do here. I certainly didn't have any negative preconceptions about him as many people did. You're right, this experiment has failed but this doesn't jusfty the negative preconceptions of those fans in any fashion whatsoever, but rather goes to show that there is a big leap from Fulham to Liverpool these days and small club success doesn't necessarily translate to bigger clubs without a degree of luck. Roy didn't fit the bill in hindsight, but that's not to say someone else from a so called smaller club would not.

Exactly what I was trying to say. We decided to change, it didn't work. Just like the next change, someone who has a good record with a good squad, may not work for us. Doesn't mean we shouldn't make the change.

[cannotmakeit]

All this controlled passing and attacking football Benitez' team played, makes me think why i came out of the ground nearly every game and asked myself why i bothered continuing to watch it. I thought it was boring but obviously i imagined it, it must have been exciting riveting football. Why oh why couldn't i see it at the time

and after watching our recents games you are enjoying our free flowing football?

[pezzzer]

****.

And off.

im not actually having a go at you it was your opinion to want him out but stand up and be counted man!!

[Red11]

As I mentioned, it was reasonable to think that Hodgson could get the best out the squad, as he'd done so last season. It was a calculated gamble.

I have to disagree about Rafa not having money though....

I'm sorry but that's just willful ignorance. If that's a calculated gamble then I'd love to play poker against our board, especially Purslow! They knew Hodgson had no longevity here, knew he was a stop gap at best & a simple google search would show you that his record at the top level in Italy & England were simple inadequate for LFC.

His time at Udinese should have set off alarm bells at the board (it did for the King funnily enough and he said so but was willfully ignored) and the statements Burslough regarding Hodgson's mentality to get the job could have been generated by any ****house PR company.

The Rafa net money has been done to death, people either believe it or they don't. I think last 2 seasons Rafa had to sell a lot to buy a little & Purslow/MD allowed too much player power to unsettle the ship after the Alonso debacle.

Hodgson was just a horrendous choice and the sooner the board man up and change it the quicker they gain back the fans and some respect (and not lose that respect from the great work on H&G).

[pezzzer]

Is it not the case that Hodgson's stats/record at Fulham is inferior to that of Coleman? I'm pretty sure it is.

Hodgson did a good job at Fulham.

At Fulham.

We would never have considered Coleman, or Allardyce, or McClaren, or - going further back - Burley....all one time flavour of month managers. That's all Hodgson was. 12 jobs in 15 years says all you need to know about his record and his **** CV. He can stick his 35 years experience up his arse.

if i remember rightly he took a premiership winning blackburn into a relagation battle and they just scraped 17th to stay up after they got rid of him, people say how brilliantly he did with fulham but he dropped them from 7th to 12th-13th last year, hes one some awesome cheese cup in sweeden or some ****ing useless league and ppl were saying how well he wld do here!!

[Lecter]

No one has said that Hodgson's a '**** manager' per se, just that he's out of his depth at Liverpool. He just doesn't get our club at all, then he's done nothing (like in high profile jobs - for example winning trophies he's won bollocks) to justify all the crap he's uttering.

I will say it

Hodgson is a **** manager

His record speaks for itself 10 clubs in 10 years

22 games without an away win in the Premier League (which incidentally is double his nearest rival - Hughes 11)

30% odd win record over his tenure of ALL his Premier League clubs

I would class Hodgson in the same league as George Burley in that he struck lucky for one year but that his general performance level as a manager is below average

[Lecter]

As I mentioned, it was reasonable to think that Hodgson could get the best out the squad, as he'd done so last season. It was a calculated gamble.

So is going to Las Vegas and putting all your money and your house on No.7 at a roulette table

[Red11]

As I mentioned, it was reasonable to think that Hodgson could get the best out the squad, as he'd done so last season. It was a calculated gamble.

I have to disagree about Rafa not having money though....

I will say it

Hodgson is a **** manager

His record speaks for itself 10 clubs in 10 years

22 games without an away win in the Premier League (which incidentally is double his nearest rival - Hughes 11)

30% odd win record over his tenure of ALL his Premier League clubs

I would class Hodgson in the same league as George Burley in that he struck lucky for one year but that his general performance level as a manager is below average

What he said