Pack your bags Roy

[Eric Swindler]

I find the fact that he signed Konchesky pretty offensive. The comments after the Everton game were offensive. Saying we are not capable of playing better than we did against Blackburn was offensive. His comments about spending were very offensive.

Every manager has made errors in the transfer market, and Roy was extremely limited financially as to who he could buy. Poulsen was an error, Konchesky is simply a limitation of finance. As reagrds the comments, personally I didn't find anything you refer to above as offensive. Why are they offensive exactly? Is it because he hasn't quite grasped the mentality of the big club, the symbiotic relationship between club and fans? I'd agree that he certainly hasn't grasped that or at least is only beginning to realise the significance of it. But to find the comments 'offensive' is far to much of a reach for me. I just think he's having a hard time getting to grips with a tremendously difficult and pressurised job - one which he took on at the time where it was the most difficult and the most pressurised than any other time in our history.

[danperkins]

It's beyond a joke at this point. Everything he says is twisted to be interpreted as a slight against the club, the players, the fans, whereas if people actually watch the press conferences, he's just being somewhat honest in what he says in reply to specific questions. He has a lot to learn about being the manager of Liverpool granted, but I still think that much of this hatred has little to do with the man himself but rather many are still smarting from the removal of our last manager.

I don't want Roy to stay myself, but only for footballing reasons - I don't think his football reflects what we'd like to see at Liverpool, but I do not understand the level of hatred directed towards him. For me, he seems like a pretty nice bloke actually that is perhaps suffering under the intense pressure of the job. He wouldn't be the first liverpool manager to say questionable things to the press either.

In general I don't think there is any balance in the assessment of him at the moment.

[Vermilion]

[Neil Young]

I agree his words are always interpreted in the worst possible light. I seem to remember him being criticised for not immediately saying Torres isn't for sale. Then he got criticised for saying Reina wasn't for sale. Then Henry was praised for saying neither of them were for sale.

However, this thread is for venting so, while the examples above aren't that fair on Hodger, I don't really see a problem.

If people don't want to read invective about Hodgson then I suggest they stop looking at a thread calling for him to go. After 55 pages of spleen against the guy, calling for balance is a bit pointless.

I'd agree though that there is too much of similar ****e in other threads and it would be good to rein it in.

[DannyMan2006]

Unfortunatly I could come up with about 20 reasons of the top of my head as to why he shouldn't be manager and probably about 7 of them are the reasons why I and others actually dislike him so much.

Amongst those 7 would be slating the fans for protesting and all but throwing the White flag up should Man Utd come calling for Torres. Slightly less personal but equally perplexing are describing the performance against Everton as fantastic and are best of the season as well as championing results away from home against mediocre teams such as Utrect and Napoli.

Then there are his negative tactics, where we sit back and defend the 18 yard line and concede terrortory everywhere else on the pitch, only for when we lose Roy to describe the reason bring we were too attacking.

Then there are his poor signings. Describing wins against average teams as utopia, and suggesting that to beat a few teams in a row as unrealistic.

Basically the guy is a complete joke.

[calvoboy]

I agree his words are always interpreted in the worst possible light. I seem to remember him being criticised for not immediately saying Torres isn't for sale. Then he got criticised for saying Reina wasn't for sale. Then Henry was praised for saying neither of them were for sale.

However, this thread is for venting so, while the examples above aren't that fair on Hodger, I don't really see a problem.

If people don't want to read invective about Hodgson then I suggest they stop looking at a thread calling for him to go. After 55 pages of spleen against the guy, calling for balance is a bit pointless.

I'd agree though that there is too much of similar ****e in other threads and it would be good to rein it in.

I think the point is that there is far too much of similar ****e in other threads, so to try and argue against it you have to come back to the main thread about Roy.

I think there's also an element of enough is enough about it too. You can ignore it for so long, but it's getting ridiculous now. I agree that Roy has made lots of mistakes, but the level and volume of personal insults in almost every single thread is getting way out of hand and is harming the level of debate.

[Eric Swindler]

I agree his words are always interpreted in the worst possible light. I seem to remember him being criticised for not immediately saying Torres isn't for sale. Then he got criticised for saying Reina wasn't for sale. Then Henry was praised for saying neither of them were for sale.

However, this thread is for venting so, while the examples above aren't that fair on Hodger, I don't really see a problem.

If people don't want to read invective about Hodgson then I suggest they stop looking at a thread calling for him to go. After 55 pages of spleen against the guy, calling for balance is a bit pointless.

I'd agree though that there is too much of similar ****e in other threads and it would be good to rein it in.

I can understand the venting completely. Given the troubles of recent years it would be as misguided to expect fans to turn it around as it is of the team itself in such a short space of time. Also I think we're so used to venting at the owners that the leftover negative energy (christ i sound like a goddam hippie) has to go somewhere and Roy is that sponge at the moment.

All I'm trying to get across really is that there are plenty reasons to criticise Roy for what happens on the pitch, but more of the bile directed at him seems to be focused off the pitch, on what is said or not said by him.

I don't want to be misinterpreted as being in favour of Roy, but i do think he deserves to be cut a fair bit more slack that he is curently being given, all things considered.

[DannyMan2006]

I can understand the venting completely. Given the troubles of recent years it would be as misguided to expect fans to turn it around as it is of the team itself in such a short space of time. Also I think we're so used to venting at the owners that the leftover negative energy (christ i sound like a goddam hippie) has to go somewhere and Roy is that sponge at the moment.

All I'm trying to get across really is that there are plenty reasons to criticise Roy for what happens on the pitch, but more of the bile directed at him seems to be focused off the pitch, on what is said or not said by him.

I don't want to be misinterpreted as being in favour of Roy, but i do think he deserves to be cut a fair bit more slack that he is curently being given, all things considered.

At the end of the day erik, it all comes down to results. If we were getting them people would accept his comments ANC put it down to him being eccentric or some other twaddle. But he's not doing his job and as such he will not be given the benefit of the doubt.

Roys main problem is he came here with the lma managers award and seemed to expect to be given respect. You have to earn that respect at Anfield on the pitch and if he can't motivate his players sufficiently to get the required results then he will never progress.

[TheElephantMan]

I agree that Roy has made lots of mistakes, but the level and volume of personal insults in almost every single thread is getting way out of hand and is harming the level of debate.

I only abuse him in the appropriate thread.

It galls me that some people seem to have accepted that Roy is our lot, that this is where we deserve to be. Roy Hodgson will not suffice. The sooner we jettison this arrogant small-minded prick the better.

[dww]

I have included last seasons results

Yes, not pretty. But it was Hodgson's fault

I agree with Operations point elsewhere in the thread that the attacks/criticism on/of Hodgson is getting a bit OTT. That said I thought we all agreed that last season was unacceptably bad. Basing future expectations on that season is not what we want to be doing. You never here a manager of a big team implying that they don't think they can win games ever.

Roy admits to not being used to the scrutiny but he is also clearly not used to expecting to win. I really think the idea that you need to 'prepare to win' is key. Hopefully behind the scenes his attitude is more like that but he really needs to learn that both with the players and the press he needs to have the demeanour of a winner.

I do think in recent weeks both on and off the pitch Roy has improved. However a bit like Babel the improvements are never quite enough or sustained enough.

[banditos]

I can't speak for anyone else, but we're not used to being a 'small club'. It's irritating when the media stop taking us seriously, but infinitely more when our manager does so. I would never have believed that any Liverpool manager would be so defeatist, it doesn't reflect our team or our city. However mercenary some of our players may be I don't want to hear our manager talking as if we're some ****e club fortunate to be in the Premiership. I don't want to hear our manager accepting or encouraging mediocrity or our acceptance of it. Benitez wasn't perfect, but he was a fighter - Hodgson is a ****house. I can't stand the cowardice of the man. He does not represent the values I believe are integral to being the manager of our beloved club. Roy Hodgson is the most foreign manager we've ever had, he doesn't understand the psyche of this club and its supporters.

[calvoboy]

I only abuse him in the appropriate thread.

It galls me that some people seem to have accepted that Roy is our lot, that this is where we deserve to be. Roy Hodgson will not suffice. The sooner we jettison this arrogant small-minded prick the better.

Not sure anyone has accepted that at all, and I totally agree with your previous post that his small-club mentality and talking as if we are a bottom half club for whom 8th or 9th would be a good season is disgusting. Just to be clear, I think there's too much about his demeanour and tactics that are just plain wrong for our club, and I'm not sure he's capable of changing. I just don't think it's right to give him the level of personal abuse that some have done lately (not that you have yourself).

[Mattshark]

Was the fact Rafa signed Josemi offensive then? Or Dossena? Or Degen? Or Voronin?

Come on, that's not offensive. You could argue that it was mistaken, but not offensive. In fact, everything you've listed there is at worst ignorant and mistaken, but not offensive.

Two of them were free, one is a decent player who never settled here and the other was a cheap back up. Konchesky was not only know to us as awful but cost more than all but one of those players and was brought in to replace a player who was not only better, but whom we simply let go on loan.

I find having my intelligence insulted to be offensive personally.

[Mattshark]

Every manager has made errors in the transfer market, and Roy was extremely limited financially as to who he could buy. Poulsen was an error, Konchesky is simply a limitation of finance. As reagrds the comments, personally I didn't find anything you refer to above as offensive. Why are they offensive exactly? Is it because he hasn't quite grasped the mentality of the big club, the symbiotic relationship between club and fans? I'd agree that he certainly hasn't grasped that or at least is only beginning to realise the significance of it. But to find the comments 'offensive' is far to much of a reach for me. I just think he's having a hard time getting to grips with a tremendously difficult and pressurised job - one which he took on at the time where it was the most difficult and the most pressurised than any other time in our history.

Nonsense, we shipped out a younger and better Insua (even if he isn't anyway near the best) for a far poorer Konchesky.

As I said, I find Roy comments to be an insult to my intelligence and while he doesn't deserve to be called a cunt, he certainly doesn't deserve respect or the job, he is an atrocious manager and worse he is both arrogant and ignorant.
Blackburn were a big team with big expectations when he took over them too.

[Eric Swindler]

Nonsense, we shipped out a younger and better Insua (even if he isn't anyway near the best) for a far poorer Konchesky.

As I said, I find Roy comments to be an insult to my intelligence and while he doesn't deserve to be called a cunt, he certainly doesn't deserve respect or the job, he is an atrocious manager and worse he is both arrogant and ignorant.
Blackburn were a big team with big expectations when he took over them too.

Insua was terrible. I find konchesky certainly no worse.