Pack your bags Roy

[Lecter]

The criticism is warranted. The level and tone of it is not.

All the things you list above happened under previous managers, but I don't recall there being quite the same overwhelming level of criticism and personal abuse on here. There were always people making the case for the defence.

I'm just tired of reading the same anti-Roy ****e on here regardless of what we do, so that even a comfortable 3-0 win without Gerrard and Lucas is slated. It's boring reading everyone endlessly aggressively agreeing with each other about how crap he is. I think there is an alternative case to be made, and seeing as no-one else is making it I'll have a go.

Ironic that as someone who didn't want Rafa sacked, didn't want Roy appointed, and still isn't convinced by him, pointing out an alternative interpretation of our performance so far arguably makes me Roy's biggest fan on here.

No it didnt all happen under previous managers

We didnt have our worst start for 50 years under a previous manager (unless you go back 50 years)

We havent been beaten by a 4th division side in recent times

They are new lows that Roy has led us to

[Lecter]

some of what Lec posted can be said about some other managers........but roy is leagues ahead of others.......Rafa had Burnley, Houiller had a few, but Roy had Northampton FFS!!! in a different league!

same can be said of 90% of those points, Roy has made us look dull, ordinary and its painful to watch.

Turgid **** and its killing me, I think some of the insults are a bit ott, after all you wouldnt talk to your grandpa like that.

Exactly the insults are off the criticisms are valid because the decline in quality performances and results has been far more rapid under Roy

Under Rafa at times were were dull, lacked creativity, failed to score etc... but when in possession terms have we been totally outplayed before by teams like Blackpool, Stoke & Wigan?

Its not like we didnt perform and they caught us on an off day because in those 3 games we conceeded ground and the lions share of possession and if anything it looked like we were the side who had just come up and was fighting for Premier League survival

[Exiled_red]

Yes - but then I wouldn't have sacked Rafa, and would have given him another season.

I do think it's unrealistic to expect a new manager taking over a side with all the off-field crap that we had to deal with, and having to sell a top player and cut the squad, to do a great deal better than Rafa did last season given that the other sides have improved their squads and we haven't. If we finish 5th or 6th having challenged for fourth all season, then he'll have improved on last year and that's a good enough start for me.

No I wouldn't have sacked Rafa either. But I don't think the conditions are any worse than Rafa had to deal with. I think most people agreed that last year we underperformed (whether there were other mitigating circumstances or the extent to which they were relevent has been a source of debate). But ultimately Rafa's performance had been deemed not good enough because we didn't get 4th. Yes we have weakened our squad in some areas but we have (supposedly) strengthened other areas. I still think we have the ability to finish in the top four, and whether we finish higher (i.e. 5th or 6th) IMO if we fail to finish in the top 4 the manager has failed.

[Craig_H]

The criticism is warranted. The level and tone of it is not.

All the things you list above happened under previous managers, but I don't recall there being quite the same overwhelming level of criticism and personal abuse on here. There were always people making the case for the defence.

I'm just tired of reading the same anti-Roy ****e on here regardless of what we do, so that even a comfortable 3-0 win without Gerrard and Lucas is slated. It's boring reading everyone endlessly aggressively agreeing with each other about how crap he is. I think there is an alternative case to be made, and seeing as no-one else is making it I'll have a go.

Ironic that as someone who didn't want Rafa sacked, didn't want Roy appointed, and still isn't convinced by him, pointing out an alternative interpretation of our performance so far arguably makes me Roy's biggest fan on here.

They didnt though. Worst start in 50 years hasnt happened for...well, 50 years...

Just one example.

[Lecter]

What's happening under roy is markedly worse and more disappointing than other managers tho right? Worst start for 50 years didnt happen under other managers for, ahem, 50 years did it?

I do agree with what im interpreting as your real point - the second bit in bold. it is boring. we know he's ****.we're basically just waiting and seeing if he can do anything before he's shown the door. there's not much we can or should do at this point. it is tasteless and boring tho to keep saying stuff about his jowels and drawing his pension. that puts me off football almost as much as what he's doing with my club.
my only faith is that NESV / FSG see this and wheels are in motion to put the right setup in place.

I have deliberately held back from criticising Roy this weekend

He got a result all be it against a very poor side but you can only beat what is put in front of you (something we failed to do against other "lesser" opposition)

Besides which I feel that criticising him after that result is like trying to beat up a man in a coma

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i would say one of the biggest lows that Roy has has magaged to do is to lower our expectation.

He has turned a poor performing 7th last year into something that under roy I would see as the very pinnacle of his acheivements with us.

[Lecter]

No I wouldn't have sacked Rafa either. But I don't think the conditions are any worse than Rafa had to deal with. I think most people agreed that last year we underperformed (whether there were other mitigating circumstances or the extent to which they were relevent has been a source of debate). But ultimately Rafa's performance had been deemed not good enough because we didn't get 4th. Yes we have weakened our squad in some areas but we have (supposedly) strengthened other areas. I still think we have the ability to finish in the top four, and whether we finish higher (i.e. 5th or 6th) IMO if we fail to finish in the top 4 the manager has failed.

The conditions are no different

Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get the best out of players who were under performing (Broughtons words not mine)

He clearly has not done that in fact its hard to argue he hasnt done the opposite

IE scuppered the ship and got the players performing worse than I previously thought was possible

[Fredo]

The conditions are no different

Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get the best out of players who were under performing (Bruoughtons words not mine)

He clearly has not done that in fact its hard to argue he hasnt done the opposite

IE scuppered the ship and got the players performing worse than I previously thought was possible

It's incredible that from an outsider's point of view, they don't seem to see it that way though. They all think that Rafa ruined the club and that Roy is going to 'steady the ship'.

[Lecter]

It's incredible that from an outsider's point of view, they don't seem to see it that way though. They all think that Rafa ruined the club and that Roy is going to 'steady the ship'.

Depends who the outsiders are

I have Evertonian mates who think Hodgson is ****ing **** and can no longer even be bothered taking the mickey out of us anymore

You know its got bad when bluenoses are offerring sympathy

[red g]

It's incredible that from an outsider's point of view, they don't seem to see it that way though. They all think that Rafa ruined the club and that Roy is going to 'steady the ship'.

classic Xenophobia.

Rule Brittania.

[Lecter]

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
Comolli just gave me a DVD of an Italian midfielder playing for Juve. Completely looks the part, dominating games and looks creative.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
I pointed out there is no way that we'd be able to afford him and even if we could no manager in the world would let such a player leave.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
He looked at me and said 'No, you'd have to be a complete **** to let a midfielder of that ability leave'. Then he left laughing. Prick.
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[Craig_H]

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
Comolli just gave me a DVD of an Italian midfielder playing for Juve. Completely looks the part, dominating games and looks creative.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
I pointed out there is no way that we'd be able to afford him and even if we could no manager in the world would let such a player leave.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
He looked at me and said 'No, you'd have to be a complete **** to let a midfielder of that ability leave'. Then he left laughing. Prick.
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royhodgson_lma The Hodge
Comolli just gave me a DVD of an Italian midfielder playing for Juve. Completely looks the part, dominating games and looks creative.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
I pointed out there is no way that we'd be able to afford him and even if we could no manager in the world would let such a player leave.

royhodgson_lma The Hodge
He looked at me and said 'No, you'd have to be a complete **** to let a midfielder of that ability leave'. Then he left laughing. Prick.
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yes, Would love to see De Rossi here, Can't see it though.

[DannyMan2006]

Yes - but then I wouldn't have sacked Rafa, and would have given him another season.

I do think it's unrealistic to expect a new manager taking over a side with all the off-field crap that we had to deal with, and having to sell a top player and cut the squad, to do a great deal better than Rafa did last season given that the other sides have improved their squads and we haven't. If we finish 5th or 6th having challenged for fourth all season, then he'll have improved on last year and that's a good enough start for me.

Hold on a sec Calvo. Rafa got sacked for massively under performing (i). So if Roy comes in and does slightly worse or slightly better he too has under performed. There are no excuses.

Despite what is said on the forums, we did not have to sell players to pay for loans on the club, we were well past the point of a few million here or there sorting the club out. So every penny we brought in we were in a position to spend it.

It was also made VERY clear by both Broughton, Purslow and Hodgson, that Roy had the final say on signings. He didn't have to sign Jova and he didn't have to sell Insua. He also didn't have to loan Aqua, who went to his training camps.

Roys biggest complaint (and I agree with him) is that we have a severe lack of quality forward players. Well Roy had the option in the summer of buying one, yet he didn't. Instead he spent £5m on a LB and loaned one out for free. Spent £4.5m on Poulsen who has been no better than even Jay Spearing. Spent £11.5m on Meireles who he seems to think is best deployed at RM. He also agreed the loan of an Italian international midfielder who cost us £17m for nothing to Juventus.

That said, the biggest **** up was the Mascherano saga. Now when Roy had got the job I would have expected him to have done his best to keep Masch, which I am sure he did. However, once Masch had made it clear he wanted to leave, I would have informed Masch and his camp the fee I was willing to do business on and the amount of time they had to get the deal done. As far as I'm aware this happens with many players every transfer window at many a club.

To end up in a position where we were being dictated to by Masch and his advisors was appaling. But if we made a gentlemans agreement last summer and then attempetd to go back on it then we got what we was asking for.

Taking everything into account, I don't think Roy could have conducted a worse transfer market even if he had tried his best to **** us up. Especially as in one years time I will be suprised if there is more than one player from the signings he made who is a regular fixture in the first team.

(i) In all honesty, Rafa got sacked for being a big mouth. But it was his under performing season that gave them the opportunity to sack him.

[Lecter]

(i) In all honesty, Rafa got sacked for being a big mouth. But it was his under performing season that gave them the opportunity to sack him.

Rafa got sacked for being a big mouth against the backdrop of the two owners we had then

Roy has been outspoken even since NESV and has already been given a slap on the wrists for this

Yet we are still grossly underperforming