Pack your bags Roy

[Rich]

Im not wrong.

'fraid you are.

[Shaggy]

Or, as Rafa said himself at the time, we didnt have the cash to go out and buy someone so we had to take a chance on someone like Aquilani because he was cheaper as a result of his injury record.

(Im still not sure whether we ever paid anything close to £20m for him - I wonder if him being sent on loan was to avoid triggering repayments, as it was rumoured we paid very little up front?)

Like with Maxi and the Greek, they were signings dictated by how little money we had available, not by who we would have signed in an ideal (or even normal) situation.

Moyes has bought so much dross it's untrue, but he's British and part of the crony club so it's glossed over.

[Kenneth]

Eh, I never understand how Moyes manages to get away with his 'I never get to spend no money, me' line. He's made some good signings over the years but he's also made some poor ones.

Richard Wright? Ibrahim Said? James Beattie. Ibrahim Bakayoko? Didnt he sign that defender for millions (Koldrup) who was then sent back to Italy for being rubbish? Simon Davies? Yakubu was great yesterday but he cost them £11m or so and has been poor overall for them, spending a lot of time on the bench or unfit. That Russian for £10m or so also looks average at best.

All managers make good and bad signings. Just because Moyes spends his time taking about his 'bargain' doesnt mean he hasnt wasted cash too.

I wasn't suggesting Moyes is a transfer genius. I was suggesting that if he was to buy 10 players for under £3m, a high % would be decent than if Rafa was to do the same.

[Havors]

'fraid you are.

your entitled to your opinion, as am i

[Craig_H]

Maxi
Alberto Aquilani
Phillip Degen
Andrea Dossena
Robert Keane
Péter Gulácsi
Andrey Voronin
Nikolay Mihaylov
Sebastián Eduardo Leto
Mikel San José
Ryan Babel
Charles Itandje
Péter Gulácsi
Damien Plessis
Mark Gonzales
Antonio Barragan
Boudewijn Zenden
Momo Sissoko
Jan Kromkamp
Pelligrino
Fernando Morientes
Josemi
Gabriel Palletta
Nabil El Zhar
Astrit Ajdarevic
Jermaine Pennant
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez

And the other 62?

[Craig_H]

Ill think youll find only a couple of them where.

11 out of the 28 listed, actually.

Or 39% of them.

[The Erectile Banana]

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[Havors]

And the other 62?

11 out of the 28 listed, actually.

Or 39% of them.

now your just being pedantic and missing the point lol

[Havors]

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[The Birdman]

I can't be ****ed to join in with all this thread but someone earlier (either Perkins or Havors I think) posted that Rafa's record in the transfer market in the last 2 years was ****e.

Would this be the same 2 years that we actually turned over a profit in the transfer windows?? you know the time of year when every other club was investing and upgrading Rafa had to sell to support interest payments then replace Ferrari's with Robin Relients and still get the same level of performance?????

Beggers belief




Edit - Found it. It was Andy DanPerkins Gray


Hard when there's 4 people arguing with you at once when my original point was that Rafa transfer record in last 2 seasons was woeful. Escalation apologies to Craig and to yourself

And i'm perfectly happy to accept other peoples opinions wish the feeling was mutual with some people.

[dom9]

Back on topic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/10/hodgson_living_an_illusion.html

Henry sees grim Liverpool reality

Phil McNulty | 22:49 UK time, Sunday, 17 October 2010

Liverpool's new owner John W Henry could not resist taking a look at what £300m has bought him - and got a gruesome illustration of the scale of the task he has taken on.

Henry had planned to wait until Blackburn visited Anfield next week to make his formal entrance but because he was in the vicinity after completing his takeover, curiosity and the prospect of a Merseyside derby at Everton got the better of the Boston Red Sox owner.

Everton and a tumultuous Goodison Park provided a brutal introduction as Liverpool were comprehensively upstaged and Henry had only shouts of "I hope you've kept your receipt" to accompany him as he made his way out of the directors' box.

If, in the words of "You'll Never Walk Alone", Liverpool hoped for a golden sky at the end their recent storm, they were to be sorely disappointed. There are more clouds gathering over an increasingly besieged Roy Hodgson.

Hodgson will have been heartened by measured and firm messages of support from the Anfield hierarchy, but any hopes of creating a good first impression on his new bosses evaporated amid a desperate Liverpool performance.

And Hodgson did not help his own cause by delivering an after-match analysis that bordered on the surreal and left him open to ridicule only eight Premier League matches into his Liverpool tenure.


After Everton eased into the lead with goals either side of the interval from Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta, David Moyes' side sat back and effectively asked Liverpool to show them what they had got. Answer? Little or nothing.

And yet Hodgson clung to spells of punchless passing to launch an absurd defence of Liverpool's performance, announcing: "I refuse to sit here and accept that we were outplayed or in any way inferior."

Hodgson has every right to protect his players, but this was positive spin gone mad after Everton had proved superior in every area of the pitch against a Liverpool team that had given as poor a performance at Goodison Park as any in recent memory.

Not content with this massaging of the grim reality of what Liverpool's fans had just witnessed Hodgson, to the general astonishment of all present, added: "That is as good as I have seen a Liverpool team play under my management."

If it was, it does not a say much for what has gone before.

Hodgson already faces a battle to win affection and respect from Liverpool's fans as they lie in the Premier League's bottom two, and to deliver such a flagrant misreading and rose-tinted version of these events runs the risk of damaging his credibility even further.

He suggested he may be "in a sample of one" with this view. And he might just be right. It was certainly not an opinion shared by many Liverpool supporters who were forced to sit through raucous chants of "going down" from their Everton counterparts revelling in the toils of this painfully ordinary side.

Hodgson's message may be regarded as making the best of a bad day, but there was a hint of delusion about the gloss he applied so enthusiastically. It was King Canute stuff and few were fooled.

He will need the time Liverpool's owners have promised to give him. It would, after all, be regarded as almost reckless to march into Anfield on the stability ticket and make sacking the manager your first meaningful act, especially as Hodgson has only just arrived.

But the other messages coming out of Anfield since the Americans' arrival had the word "win" at their heart. And the growing concerns from Liverpool's supporters means there is now a danger that they may switch their discontent from the despised but departed Tom Hicks and George Gillett to a manager who has failed to fire their imagination.

Hodgson has every right to point to the mediocrity he inherited in his squad from Rafael Benitez, but early evidence suggests he has only succeeded in adding to it.

Joe Cole, and this is a player I have never hidden my admiration for in the past, was at best anonymous and at worst awful, while Paul Konchesky's performance was summed up by a late effort that ended up further away from goal than where it started.

It already appears the Premier League is too much for Christian Poulsen, absent for personal reasons on Sunday, while Portugal's Raul Meireles is willing but still coming to terms with the robust style in England's top flight.

The task for Hodgson now is to somehow fashion the wins that lift Liverpool up the table, rebuild morale and, crucially, show enough of the skills that earned him so much respect at Fulham to convince Henry and company to trust him with transfer funds in January.

To talk of a Liverpool manager being in trouble after eight league games is almost beyond belief, but Hodgson needs results fast to stem the tide that currently seems to be flowing against him.

Liverpool barely raised a gallop until Everton were two goals in front, just reward for a performance that hit the right levels of passion and skill. They sized up Liverpool in the opening exchanges and liked what they saw.

And with Yakubu a bludgeoning presence up front, Cahill a constant menace in midfield and Sylvain Distin a powerhouse at the back, Everton were in no mood to allow Henry and Liverpool to round off their big week with a win in the 214th Merseyside derby.

Moyes was rightly wreathed in smiles. Everton used international week for some team bonding in the Lake District as captain Phil Neville admitted: "I can honestly say the sight of Yakubu walking up a mountain is a memory that will live with me a long time."

They were scaling peaks again at Goodison, and Moyes was in expansive mood as he outlined the philosophy that means that while Henry and his New England Sports Ventures cohorts may have bought the more high-profile club on Merseyside, they have not bought the better football team.

He said: "I wouldn't swap my chairman Bill Kenwright for anybody from America and Saudi Arabia because he's a supporter and he backs his manager."

Moyes used his £60,000 deal to bring 23-year-old Seamus Coleman to Everton from Sligo Rovers as an example of the careful husbandry he requires in the absence of big money flowing into Goodison.

Coleman, who spent last season on loan at Blackpool, has a dashing style and it was this that created Cahill's goal. Moyes has swiftly noted the youngster's defensive weaknesses and moved him right-back to an advanced role. Bargain buys and shrewd management of resources is the Moyes template.

"It isn't all about money," he said. "If all you wanted football to be about was money you wouldn't enjoy it."

There may not be much money around at Everton - but there was plenty of joy on Sunday. Liverpool may be newly-rich, but this was a joyless Merseyside derby for new owner Henry and manager Hodgson.

Seems some in the media are finally waking up.

[Havors]

I can't be ****ed to join in with all this thread but someone earlier (either Perkins or Havors I think) posted that Rafa's record in the transfer market in the last 2 years was ****e.

Would this be the same 2 years that we actually turned over a profit in the transfer windows?? you know the time of year when every other club was investing and upgrading Rafa had to sell to support interest payments then replace Ferrari's with Robin Relients and still get the same level of performance?????

Beggers belief




Edit - Found it. It was Andy DanPerkins Gray


Hard when there's 4 people arguing with you at once when my original point was that Rafa transfer record in last 2 seasons was woeful. Escalation apologies to Craig and to yourself

And i'm perfectly happy to accept other peoples opinions wish the feeling was mutual with some people.

I personally think he could have done better over his reign as a whole and relied on his scouts opinion too much. But yes there are mitigating circumstances such as laurel & hardy and that bell end parry!

[dom9]

I personally think he could have done better over his reign as a whole and relied on his scouts opinion too much. But yes there are mitigating circumstances such as laurel & hardy and that bell end parry!

What are scouts there for?

[Havors]

What are scouts there for?

to scout?

[Vermilion]

Back on topic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/10/hodgson_living_an_illusion.html

Seems some in the media are finally waking up.

Maybe, but they seem to be blaming signings....and of course Rafa, and not Hodgsons inane in play management skills...which imo is hurting the side the most right now.