Pack your bags Roy

[Craig_H]

Irrelevant point, you're taking about Real Madrid here and they had a squad with players such as Sniejder and Van der Vaart who are good enough to win major trophies.

Right. Real Madrid. What about Buffon? And Berbatov? And Ferdinand? And Zlatan? And Drogba? Even for us, our most successful signing is also our most expensive. Surely you're seeing a pattern?

[danperkins]

I think the first two are ****ing atrocious - both signings you backed at the time and have now epically u-turned - and Dunne is wildly overrated, usually by Irishmen.

But he was a better buy than Poulsen and Konchesky, I'll give you that.

Haha thought you'd say that, what about:

Aquillani: 19.4 (including wages)
Anderson: 18 million
Glen Johnson: 20 million ish
Richard Dunne: 5 million

Mate i could go on and on, you can say what you want buy Dunne was one of the best defenders in the league last year, and i was one of those sexy charismatic irishmen who used to slag the **** out of him, only lived down the road from me too, same as Keano.

[Shaggy]

yup with Aaron Lennon and Adam Reed. Insua was a midget.

As usual you're completely wrong. You only need to use your eyes to know it's bollocks, but here's some stats. He's nowhere near the shortest.

Insua is 5'10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Ins%C3%BAa

Or 5'9 if you use this.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=95818&cc=5739

Without looking I know SWP is 5'5. No idea about Lennon. Aguero is 5'7, and here Insua is a good few inches taller.




Perkins, getting stuff totally wrong every day

[destinydude]

DD, you need to actually pinpoint what i say mate.

I didnt say go out and spend £100m, i didnt say go out and buy all those players and i didnt say go and buy a team who will be retiring in 5 years.

I'm posting EXAMPLES mate.

Examples of course but examples that are borderline wind up examples. We need very good players but not necessarily the "best player in the world for that particular position." as you've been trying to say in you examples as you did with that Ronaldo for 80m when you said top players are over priced.

[Shaggy]

Haha thought you'd say that, what about:

Aquillani: 19.4 (including wages)
Anderson: 18 million
Glen Johnson: 20 million ish
Richard Dunne: 5 million

Mate i could go on and on, you can say what you want buy Dunne was one of the best defenders in the league last year, and i was one of those sexy charismatic irishmen who used to slag the **** out of him, only lived down the road from me too, same as Keano.

Superb selective use of irrelevant examples/comparisons

[destinydude]

Right. Real Madrid. What about Buffon? And Berbatov? And Ferdinand? And Zlatan? And Drogba? Even for us, our most successful signing is also our most expensive. Surely you're seeing a pattern?

A pattern which doesn't suit the examples you blatantly cite!

[Craig_H]

Examples of course but examples that are borderline wind up examples. We need very good players but not necessarily the "best player in the world for that particular position." as you've been trying to say in you examples as you did with that Ronaldo for 80m when you said top players are over priced.

How are they borderline windup? Ronaldo's simply the most obvious example.

And again, when did i say WE NEED the 'best player in the world for their position' - oh, i didnt. I've been saying if you want the best (not necessarily THE ONE best, but one of the best) you have to usually pay big money.

I cant believe it's even in dispute

[Reece]

As usual you're completely wrong. You only need to use your eyes to know it's bollocks, but here's some stats. He's nowhere near the shortest.

Insua is 5'10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Ins%C3%BAa

Or 5'9 if you use this.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=95818&cc=5739

Without looking I know SWP is 5'5. No idea about Lennon. Aguero is 5'7, and here Insua is a good few inches taller.




Perkins, getting stuff totally wrong every day

The official Gala website has him as 179cm. Using Google:

179 centimetres = 5.87270341 feet

[Craig_H]

A pattern which doesn't suit the examples you blatantly cite!

What are you talking about? Zlatan, Buffon, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Torres etc ARE examples that i'm citing. Ronaldo was one, these are others.

Simple question DD - do you think that the world's top players usually/generally cost big money?

[Shaggy]

The official Gala website has him as 179cm. Using Google:

179 centimetres = 5.87270341 feet

So nowhere near the shortest then - whichever way you look at 179cm.

[Craig_H]

So nowhere near the shortest then - whichever way you look at 179cm.

Dan will explain this shortly. "Insua is not the shortest, there arent many shorter, however he's taller than some, but the smallest".

Simple enough Shaggs. I dont know why it's so difficult for you to understand really.

[kemm1]

Right. Real Madrid. What about Buffon? And Berbatov? And Ferdinand? And Zlatan? And Drogba? Even for us, our most successful signing is also our most expensive. Surely you're seeing a pattern?

I'm not discounting expensive signings. The core of the SCUM had been in place and built around young players from the 1990s then they added Cantona etc plus they spent what they could afford in relation to revenues pre-Glazer. The success of the SCUM even recently was built off the back of young player from the 1990s and they just kept it going.

Chelski won the lottery.

My point is Wenger has for the most part got it right IMO, he just doesn't take that final step (Eto'o for example). He's built a excellent young squad that needs one or two quality experinced players to top it off. At this moment in time ARSEnal does not need to spend like Chelski or Man Citeh to win the League.

[destinydude]

What are you talking about? Zlatan, Buffon, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Torres etc ARE examples that i'm citing. Ronaldo was one, these are others.

Simple question DD - do you think that the world's top players usually/generally cost big money?

Did I say I didn't agree with you on that? NO. I said I do agree with you and so does everyone but to you quoting Ronaldo being bought for 80m or Kaka for 55m nullifies the entire argument because they are one off examples which aren't just overpriced but "ridiculously" overpriced.

As I said, they said they'll spend money on the "highest caliber" players but not ones that do not make financial sense.

[danperkins]

Messi was a nobody, an 11 year old kid who nobody could've known whether he'd make it or not. Unless you're going to claim everyone knew about him at 11. Which would be daft.

Of course it's great to pick out these world beaters at 11 and get them for nothing. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.



You're doing it again dan. Where did i use the word 'always' ? Clearly, i didnt.

And yes, those players would cost ****loads NOW because NOW is when they are top class established players. Of course you can go and buy a load of 16 year olds and hope they become Messi, but how easy do you think that is?

Why hasnt it worked for us before? Or for most other teams? Because it's nigh on impossible.

Dear jesus your so opinionated its actually funny. I never said you said always, "I said always" , i know because i said it WTF!

I am talking about buying the right players for the club, not the most expensive players and certainly not the most established players. Having a keen eye for young talent is essential, look at Arsenal, look at United, look at Barca.

And Messi was renowned as one of the biggest prospect when he was a kid, debut at 16 for Barca. Special talent that was well documented in country of Argentina, probably why a club like say Barcelona bought him, hmm wonder how they heard of him at 11? Oh yeah i'd imagine they have scouts who look for talent.

So my point was and is that is not about buying the most expensive players, the most expensive players are not always the best or the righ tplayers for your team, its about buying players who are good value and who are right for LFC.

[destinydude]

I'm not discounting expensive signings. The core of the SCUM had been in place and built around young players from the 1990s then they added Cantona etc plus they spent what they could afford in relation to revenues pre-Glazer. The success of the SCUM even recently was built off the back of young player from the 1990s and they just kept it going.

Chelski won the lottery.

My point is Wenger has for the most part got it right IMO, he just doesn't take that final step (Eto'o for example). He's built a excellent young squad that needs one or two quality experinced players to top it off. At this moment in time ARSEnal does not need to spend like Chelski or Man Citeh to win the League.

Some thing I've been trying to say too. Chelsea are a one off. Both Utd and Arsenal while spending money haven't spent it stupidly when they were winning things pre Chelsea