Nesv

[Craig_H]

so you think that is the plan do you

you think that htey have thier plan fully implemented and taking full effect already

you really cant discuss anything can you.

its a shame as the evidence is your a nice bloke, the lift for fernahihno and the help for tickets you give people, but your posting is too knee jerk for me.

you dont think anyone else has an opinion, you change yours you dont admit you were wrong ever and then you try to turn peoples points with silly little posts like the one quoted here. All i am saying is that there are other possibilities but you seem to think that the isnt, fine

we all know if they do somehow you will have always been saying that they would get it right etc etc.

please stop ruining this place and allow other people an opinion please.

its getting to be as bad as at the end of rafas reign

Soon as i hear things like 'you never admit you are wrong', i think the other person is being a complete arse, deliberately or otherwise. Just the other day i said how Lucas is proving me wrong, it was less than a week ago. Of course i get things wrong, which ****ing planet was anyone on when they thought they heard me say otherwise??

Of course i'm angry right now and passionate. Who sits by seeing something they love being destroyed, and has no problem with letting it carry on?

You're saying it's about getting it right, and of course it is - but when you have a big ****-off wound and it's bleeding bucketloads, first thing's first, you stop the flow.

[RedSince1964]

i would prefer Gerrard to stay i think he still has something special especially behind Torres and i think that is his best position. Cara is on the wayne but useful to have the reason to get rid would be because of the influence in the dressing room.

For me its more important to get the right manager and back him than to keep the best players and get someone who isnt right. In the end under that we will be replacing Torres etc etc and the manager to win the league.

The shame in all this is how close we came if that summer we had invested i wonder what would have happened.

still we are where we are and it is from here we need to move but it has to be right

We all would be praising Rafa for bringing in no19 and he'd still be here, end of

[DannyMan2006]

You're saying it's about getting it right, and of course it is - but when you have a big ****-off wound and it's bleeding bucketloads, first thing's first, you stop the flow.

[Craig_H]

Seems to be for you.

Think about it.

We are not going to finish top 4 this year due to keeping Hodgson. in fact, we'll be lucky to make the Europa League places.

How many top players do you think we will attract if we are not in European football? How's about none.

Now Torres may be unmotivated and a bit sulky atm, but he is one of the worlds top strikers. If he leaves, who do you suggest we replace him with? When you consider 0 top players will want to join. Who do you suggest we replace Pepe Reina with?

I'm afraid to say, short term it is all doom and gloom. because when you lose your top players, you struggle to make the top 4. And if you can't make the top 4, you struggle to attract top players to replace the ones you've lost. You get stuck in a cycle.

And that is why the top 4 was the same for so long. No one could break it because they couldn't attract the top players they needed.

Now we are no longer in the top 4. But if we keep our top players like Torres, Reina and Gerrard. Then add some good players around them, we can get back in that top 4 and then once again start attracting the top, world class players.

If we keep Hodgson we'll finish midtable. And we'll lose our top players, and any short term chance of making the top 4.

It WILL take years to come back from this as we wait for young players to develop.

Couldnt have expressed it any better, myself.

[the rev leeroy brown]

keeping gerard is our top priority above all else. he is the life soul and heartbeat of our club. NESV do need to get rid of roy. and they almost definately do need to invest and invest heavily in January. long term success is the goal but short term we need to invest in players capable of getting us top 4 or we are snookered.

carra is replaceable and so is torres to an extent. but gerard, without him we are half the team. while he is still the best player at our club we should be building around him and hopefully NESV realise this.

[RedSince1964]

Seems to be for you.

Think about it.

We are not going to finish top 4 this year due to keeping Hodgson. in fact, we'll be lucky to make the Europa League places.

How many top players do you think we will attract if we are not in European football? How's about none.

Now Torres may be unmotivated and a bit sulky atm, but he is one of the worlds top strikers. If he leaves, who do you suggest we replace him with? When you consider 0 top players will want to join. Who do you suggest we replace Pepe Reina with?

I'm afraid to say, short term it is all doom and gloom. because when you lose your top players, you struggle to make the top 4. And if you can't make the top 4, you struggle to attract top players to replace the ones you've lost. You get stuck in a cycle.

And that is why the top 4 was the same for so long. No one could break it because they couldn't attract the top players they needed.

Now we are no longer in the top 4. But if we keep our top players like Torres, Reina and Gerrard. Then add some good players around them, we can get back in that top 4 and then once again start attracting the top, world class players.

If we keep Hodgson we'll finish midtable. And we'll lose our top players, and any short term chance of making the top 4.

It WILL take years to come back from this as we wait for young players to develop.

Agreed

[Craig_H]

There's no way a club outside the CL, could ever hope to adequetely replace Nando. No way in hell.

[CJ]

Soon as i hear things like 'you never admit you are wrong', i think the other person is being a complete arse, deliberately or otherwise. Just the other day i said how Lucas is proving me wrong, it was less than a week ago. Of course i get things wrong, which ****ing planet was anyone on when they thought they heard me say otherwise??

Of course i'm angry right now and passionate. Who sits by seeing something they love being destroyed, and has no problem with letting it carry on?

You're saying it's about getting it right, and of course it is - but when you have a big ****-off wound and it's bleeding bucketloads, first thing's first, you stop the flow.

i have an easier way of working out if someone is being an arse, usually its easy to spot it has Craig H as the poster.

Now i would put money on you not being in real life. Its something about how you post. No one is perfect but i really dread it if i go to the football threads somedays, and its usually you causing it. I have blocked you but you post that often threads dont make sense and you post things that are good.

right so what is your solution sack bodge which i agree with by the way the thing i dont know is who to replace him with or the more important thing is he ready now. but in the interest of not wanting this to go the way of many of our debates who should you get in and if he isnt available who would you get in and remember all of these cost money that could be spent on players etc etc.

[Craig_H]

i have an easier way of working out if someone is being an arse, usually its easy to spot it has Craig H as the poster.

Stopped reading here, as you continue to live upto the cunt reputation that you have, that has been mentioned to me by others.

Back onto ignore, where i should've left you in the first place.

[CJ]

Stopped reading here, as you continue to live upto the cunt reputation that you have, that has been mentioned to me by others.

Back onto ignore, where i should've left you in the first place.

says the one who has no reputation.

stopped reading there with you usally means i am not sure how to argue agaisnt the rest.

[DannyMan2006]

There's no way a club outside the CL, could ever hope to adequetely replace Nando. No way in hell.

And there in lies the problem. We'd have to get very lucky with a new signing for them to hit the heights Torres is capable of.

[alunevans]

Or they've been taking advise on the Liverpool way do things, and sacking managers isn't really what we do, especially in the middle of a season

To be honest, this Liverpool way thing is a load of hogwash. The Liverpool way is not about sentimentality or a rulebook of etiquette. It is about success. That's the Liverpool way. Everything else we ever did was because it served success. Keeping Roy in charge doesn't.

[Craig_H]

To be honest, this Liverpool way thing is a load of hogwash. The Liverpool way is not about sentimentality or a rulebook of etiquette. It is about success. That's the Liverpool way. Everything else we ever did was because it served success. Keeping Roy in charge doesn't.

[vonk]

By the time it reaches 5 months, the destruction of the season will be complete, and they will have been the ones that sat by and allowed it to happen.

Bravo.

Do you really think appointing a new manager is instantly going to turn us into challengers? Even if we had Mourinho or Wenger appointed tomorrow we still would not finish in the top four. I've no doubt we would be better, but it won't be immediate. Take where we finished in Rafa's first season as proof of that.

Any new manager will be part of a rebuilding job for the rest of this season, preparing for next season. This season is done, and I'd like to believe that NESV are trying to find the right man for the next few years rather than a knee jerk appointment.

[RichC]

Do you really think appointing a new manager is instantly going to turn us into challengers? Even if we had Mourinho or Wenger appointed tomorrow we still would not finish in the top four. I've no doubt we would be better, but it won't be immediate. Take where we finished in Rafa's first season as proof of that.

Any new manager will be part of a rebuilding job for the rest of this season, preparing for next season. This season is done, and I'd like to believe that NESV are trying to find the right man for the next few years rather than a knee jerk appointment.

Is sadly on the money.