The future of Joe Cole?

[Fredo]

Arn and Craig is brothers from another mother.

That's an excellent analogy my friend.

[Lecter]

The lad is always injured. He's spent the last two seasons injured. He has no pace in a pace orientated game and little guile other than the fancy flicks. Past it.

i have never rated Cole

Always thought he flatters to deceive

[Lecter]

Hmmmm

Steven Gerrard said he was England's Leo Messi.

Gerrard also wanted Roy Hodgson to be manager last summer even when Kenny put his name forward

[Fredo]

Gerrard also wanted Roy Hodgson to be manager last summer even when Kenny put his name forward

He wanted Curbishley when Houllier was sacked.

[spud_gun]

Thats almost £5m pa. Sell him for £5, that will give us £20m that can be re-invested into the squad.

I don't think we'll be able to sell him. We'll need to pay him to leave.

No club in their right mind is going to pay £5m for him and then 90k a week over 4 or 5 years.

[Vermilion]

Would you go do far as to sat Craig are bonker too?

eh

[Bender]

Clearly Gerrard is a bit loopy on the managerial front.....best stick to playing football stevie

[Craig_H]

OK, good old Craig, seemingly oblivious to how that comes across...

Out of interest, have you really not heard that expression before?

Anyway I don't see the point in arguing with someone who is unwilling to refine his judgement about a player when it is the diametric opposite of the opinions of two Champions League winning managers who both know and have managed the player in question.

Obviously you're free to hold whatever opinion you like but your recent criticism of Arn for not being open-minded has, on this issue at least, a very hollow ring to it.

Neil, should i change my genuine opinion of a player, because two of his managers didnt seemingly rate him?

Seriously?

[dww]

eh

[Kenneth]

Neil, should i change my genuine opinion of a player, because two of his managers didnt seemingly rate him?

Seriously?

I'd add performances into the mix too. Much like Rafa to Arn, we know you are a big fan of (or love ) Cole and it comes across as JCCDNW.

[Craig_H]

His performances obviously havent been good enough, but i think there are plenty of mitigating circumstances involved.

There's a difference between whether a player is any good, and whether he has actually delivered in a red shirt. Cole hasnt delivered, but he's a very good player who, given a proper chance, will deliver for us, IMO.

[Exiled_red]

Hmmmm

Steven Gerrard said he was England's Leo Messi.

Gerrard also wanted Roy Hodgson to be manager last summer even when Kenny put his name forward

He wanted Curbishley when Houllier was sacked.

I think we have established Gerrard isn't the best judge of a player/manager I hope we don't appoint him as LFC manager at any point...

[red g]

[Neil Young]

Neil, should i change my genuine opinion of a player, because two of his managers didnt seemingly rate him?

Seriously?

I'd have thought it's useful data to take into account at the very least. Surely they know more about professional football and footballers than anyone and everyone on here.

Of course it depends on your opinion of the manager. Hodgson rated PFK enough to buy him but that wasn't worth anything to me or to you.

So perhaps you don't think much of Mourinho's and Ancelotti's views on players. However, Ancelotti's comment in particular is a very clear assessment, not on Cole's talent per se, but on his ability or willingness to do what his manager requires. Surely that's something none of us can judge for ourselves but that he has direct experience of.

Anyway whatever your views on Ancelotti and Mourinho and Cole and Benayoun, the broader issue here is, it seems to me, that it makes it very difficult to discuss things if one's interlocutor chooses to ignore contrary opinions, no matter how close to the issue the source may be.

[Fernandinho]

I'd have thought it's useful data to take into account at the very least. Surely they know more about professional football and footballers than anyone and everyone on here.

Of course it depends on your opinion of the manager. Hodgson rated PFK enough to buy him but that wasn't worth anything to me or to you.

So perhaps you don't think much of Mourinho's and Ancelotti's views on players. However, Ancelotti's comment in particular is a very clear assessment, not on Cole's talent per se, but on his ability or willingness to do what his manager requires. Surely that's something none of us can judge for ourselves but that he has direct experience of.

Anyway whatever your views on Ancelotti and Mourinho and Cole and Benayoun, the broader issue here is, it seems to me, that it makes it very difficult to discuss things if one's interlocutor chooses to ignore contrary opinions, no matter how close to the issue the source may be.

Didn't Hodgo come out and say that Cole refused to drop back and help defend when we were leading late on in a game and he had to bring Maxi on?