Stoke City vs Liverpool FC post match thread

[pondus]

He sho'uld.

[Vermilion]

And we sho'uld have still won!

[Craig_H]

Well see what some of the others make of it.

I doubt the others will come out with factually incorrect bull**** like "Dalglish claimed...." when he clearly didnt.

[Vermilion]

I doubt the others will come out with factually incorrect bull**** like "Dalglish claimed...." when he clearly didnt.

It'll be 'Kenny go's to war! He Asks USA for backing'

[Liverpel]

Actually I'm not, technically I'm the site admin. I get a slightly darker shade of red in the online list and everything

I hadn't noticed that until now.

[Rich]

Brilliant wrong thread-age.

I'm blaming tapatalk!

[peekay]

He's making a pretty clear point though...as to how he feels about the refereeing so far.

The King knew exactly that his words will be twisted and sensationalized beyond what he said. His statement was very carefully worded.

[Fosterbloke]

**** it, if we are going to lose I'd rather we do it while playing well rather than the Bodge standard.

Stoke might get the same luck against Man Utd or City but they'll never outplayed them. Upwards and onwards, Spuds are next, I expect us to do a lot better.

[Lecter]

Carra was obviously instrumental in that team and in that entire European campaign.

"I don't really see why such a poor footballer is regarded as a such a legend"

670 odd games for the club, arguably the best defender in Europe for several seasons, and you don't get why he's a club legend? I fully agree that his time is running out fast, and his deficiencies as a player have become more obvious as he's hit the wrong side of 30, but there is no need at all to diminish the role he has played for us over the last decade +

Carra is legend and has been a top out-and-out defender

Would he get in one of our greatest ever 11's - probably not imo but thats more a reflection on the quality of some of the other defenders who have played for us rather than playing down Carraghers qualities

Watching the penalty I think it was harsh in fact very harsh and on another day it would have been brushed over because our forwards would have been less profligate

[Muddled]

I've since watched it back and TBH, i dont think i can argue with the decision - what Carra thinks he's doing, with his arm so obviously around the fella's waist, i dont know. If it had been at the other end, with Shawcross doing that to Suarez, i'd be fuming if a peno isnt given.

I've since seen it on MOTD and I stand by my opinion; Walters barge in to Carragher knocks him off balance, it could be argued that if Carragher goes down there, we have a free-kick and it's game-on. Unfortunately, Carragher uses Walters to regain his balance and Walters goes down waaay too easy.

I can appreciate that Carragher putting his arms around Walters' waist can play in to the referee's hand, but I still think it's a soft penalty. Still, it's happened now - what is done, is done.

[jono]

I've since seen it on MOTD and I stand by my opinion; Walters barge in to Carragher knocks him off balance, it could be argued that if Carragher goes down there, we have a free-kick and it's game-on. Unfortunately, Carragher uses Walters to regain his balance and Walters goes down waaay too easy.

I can appreciate that Carragher putting his arms around Walters' waist can play in to the referee's hand, but I still think it's a soft penalty. Still, it's happened now - what is done, is done.

I couldn't believe it when he pointed to the penalty spot. For a moment my mind couldn't comprehend it. "Why is he pointing, is it a goal kick? That decision just jiggered me. It was a very lame penalty.

[Mostar]

We can complain about Clattenburg as much as we want but in reality we should have won this game with or without poor referring.

We had some top scoring chances and when you don't convert those you really have to put the blame on our shoulders.

Stoke City is the epitome on anti-football team but our ineffectiveness in final third cost us at least a point.

Imo we shouldn't be looking at anybody else but ourselves of why we lost this match.

[McDermotX]

Soft pelanty, but we would be screaming about it down the other end, so I think it was the right decision.
What annoyed me more is Carra's woeful handling of the situation (wrong side, ball bouncing etc) that led to the concession...............decision like that always has a good chance of been handed to the home side. Can't complain really.

[McDermotX]

We can complain about Clattenburg as much as we want but in reality we should have won this game with or without poor referring.

We had some top scoring chances and when you don't convert those you really have to put the blame on our shoulders.

Stoke City is the epitome on anti-football team but our ineffectiveness in final third cost us at least a point.

Imo we shouldn't be looking at anybody else but ourselves of why we lost this match.

Some fine defending from Stoke as well, credit where its due. We may not like it but we put ourselves in that position in the end. If we cannot overcome situations like that without looking to the ref for help, then we won't be hitting top 4.
Its over and done with, we can take few positives from the game (although out initial high tempo was very encouraging), but we move onto the next one (at least they're gonna try and play some football).

[Craig_H]

I've since seen it on MOTD and I stand by my opinion; Walters barge in to Carragher knocks him off balance, it could be argued that if Carragher goes down there, we have a free-kick and it's game-on. Unfortunately, Carragher uses Walters to regain his balance and Walters goes down waaay too easy.

I can appreciate that Carragher putting his arms around Walters' waist can play in to the referee's hand, but I still think it's a soft penalty. Still, it's happened now - what is done, is done.

That's fair comment. But Carra didnt go down and then IMO, putting your hand across the striker's waist and exerting physical pressure on him by doing so, whether it's enough to knock him off his feet or not, is surely a foul.

I think that, in fairness, Carra realised that Walters was going to be a shoe-in to score from the chance, and there was an air of desperation about Carragher's challenge.