Stoke City vs Liverpool FC post match thread

[kingfunk]

Cant point the finger at any one player today, Suarez, Bellamy and Enrique were good, the rest were crap.

[BootRoom]

He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.

Hyypia wasn't a brilliant attacking player in terms of getting involved in the build-up; he was mostly just a threat from set pieces. I think we've had this debate before about uber attacking centre backs - there are just not that many good ones about. The important things to look out for are attributes that are independent of the team, such as aerial prowess, speed, strength, tackling ability - attributes that would be useful for any team in all conventional systems.

[Chris]

Stop trying to wind Arn up, it's getting very tiresome.

Not trying to wind anyone up, just pointing out his astonishing hypocrisy.

In his opinion Benitez has never, ever made a mistake. Yet Carra is a crap centre half and you cant play with people who are **** on the ball. Cant have it both ways.

[MrMichael]

He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.

He's a central defender. There's a clue in there somewhere if you look really hard.

Can a team afford to have a bunch of defenders who concentrate on attacking? I'm not sure, maybe we should ask some Arsenal fans about that....

[Exiled_red]

Carra does need to be replaced but to say he WAS a poor player and not a legend is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard. Carra in his prime was a great defender and you don't play along side Sami for years if you are poor.

Carra's decline has been the past 2 years or so and the time is now to start the phase him out the team slowly.

[Shaggy]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kenny-s-stoke-frustration

Kenny Dalglish couldn't hide his frustration after seeing Liverpool suffer their first defeat of the season with a 1-0 loss at Stoke City.

A first-half penalty from Jon Walters was enough to give Tony Pulis's side the three points at the Britannia after the forward was adjudged to have been brought down inside the box by Jamie Carragher.

However, the Reds were left aggrieved after seeing a late spot-kick appeal of their own turned down when Luis Suarez's cross struck the hand of Matthew Upson - and Dalglish believes his charges deserved to take something from the game having dominated the contest.

"We are very disappointed with the result but we are delighted with the effort and the commitment of the players," the boss told his post-match press conference.

"On another day we could have scored three or four - I don't think there was anything wrong with our performance. Although the passing wasn't as good as what it has been, it was still good enough to have scored three or four goals in the game.

"There was not much more we could have done other than have that little bit of luck in front of goal."

Dalglish admitted his dismay at some of the decisions which went against his side at Stoke and feels Liverpool have had reason to feel hard done by in all four of the Barclays Premier League matches so far this term.

He added: "I think it's a wee bit of an understatement to say we deserved something out of the game. We can only do what we do ourselves and sometimes other things are taken out of your jurisdiction.

"If we continue to play like that with the same attitude and the commitment then we will be okay this season, but if we continually get battered with things that are outside our control then we are not going to have much chance.

"Our first four league games have all had a contentious decision in them and every one of them has gone against us.

"We would like to be respectful towards referees. I think I have been respectful to referees, but more importantly than being respectful to referees in their campaign it's about having respect for my football club, Liverpool Football Club.

"If I feel they (Liverpool FC) are suffering in any shape of form then maybe I need to go down the same route as some other people go and see if we can get some benefit from that. I'll speak to the owners first and see what they say because the last thing I want is for my behaviour to infringe on the club's success in any way, shape or form.

"We don't have any complaint, for want of a better word, about Stoke City. They played very, very hard, they played well. They got their goal, they defended well and courageously at times, and maybe occasionally they got a bit of luck.

"We don't have anything but appreciation for the way that they played, the way they held on and went on to win the game. So I've only got complimentary things to say about Tony (Pulis) and Stoke.

"But I just can't see how it was a penalty kick."

Despite seeing penalty appeals waved away, Liverpool could have salvaged a point deep into injury time when Luis Suarez steered a chance just wide of the goal.

"You think it's an easy chance but it's not when you see it on television," reflected Dalglish.

"The goalkeeper has got a good angle on it and it was a difficult chance to take. On another day one of our chances would have gone in."

[Exiled_red]

Carra was obviously instrumental in that team and in that entire European campaign.

"I don't really see why such a poor footballer is regarded as a such a legend"

670 odd games for the club, arguably the best defender in Europe for several seasons, and you don't get why he's a club legend? I fully agree that his time is running out fast, and his deficiencies as a player have become more obvious as he's hit the wrong side of 30, but there is no need at all to diminish the role he has played for us over the last decade +

[BootRoom]

Carra was obviously instrumental in that team and in that entire European campaign.

"I don't really see why such a poor footballer is regarded as a such a legend"

670 odd games for the club, arguably the best defender in Europe for several seasons, and you don't get why he's a club legend? I fully agree that his time is running out fast, and his deficiencies as a player have become more obvious as he's hit the wrong side of 30, but there is no need at all to diminish the role he has played for us over the last decade +

I think it would be pointless arguing with you because:

a. that kind of debate is not really appropriate in a post-match thread
and
b. I fear you'll just respond with some sort of 'trolling' comment.

If you want to start another thread I'd be happy to respond.

[gentingfrmhell]

two mistakes in two matches resulting in two goals. bench him. I would, even if he is a legend.

[Nick77]

Especially after the stats - something like 70%-30% possesion in our favour & just ONE shot on target by them, **** it feels terrible.
And those ****en Scum cunts go 3-0 up without even trying ffs!! I really HATE football sometimes!!

[Nick77]

two mistakes in two matches resulting in two goals. bench him. I would, even if he is a legend.

To be fair that penalty was so ****en soft - by the same standard we should've had 2 at least but once again we have to witness the WORST refereeing in the world!
I've seen corrupt Italian refs perform better than the ones appointed by the ****ing FA ffs!!!

[Shaggy]

Must say I'd almost forgotten what it felt like to lose a meaningful game. Couple of meaningless defeats at the back end of last season, plus the other losses under Kenny never felt that bad cos we were coming off the back of the Hodgson horror show and trying to rescue a rotten situation...so it's been a while. ****ing raging today. On the flip side I've got rotten flu, it got the old adrenaline pumping and I feel a bit better on that front.

Good to have the football mojo back though.

[Leyton388]

Must say I'd almost forgotten what it felt like to lose a meaningful game. Couple of meaningless defeats at the back end of last season, plus the other losses under Kenny never felt that bad cos we were coming off the back of the Hodgson horror show and trying to rescue a rotten situation...so it's been a while. ****ing raging today. On the flip side I've got rotten flu, it got the old adrenaline pumping and I feel a bit better on that front.

Good to have the football mojo back though.

Makes a change to lose a game on the back of a mistake rather than complete incompetence.

[destinydude]

Must say I'd almost forgotten what it felt like to lose a meaningful game. Couple of meaningless defeats at the back end of last season, plus the other losses under Kenny never felt that bad cos we were coming off the back of the Hodgson horror show and trying to rescue a rotten situation...so it's been a while. ****ing raging today. On the flip side I've got rotten flu, it got the old adrenaline pumping and I feel a bit better on that front.

Good to have the football mojo back though.

Totally agree with the last part. Today's defeat really hurt.

[cream]

When's our next game?

Need to get this out of the system.