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    #151
    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    I think the brilliant defending skills by players like Xabi, Masch and Hyypia made Carra look better than he really is.

    What happened since they left the club? How good has he been organising the defence since then? How much of a leader in defence has he been since then?

    Not that great IMO. Hyypia was our real leader and organiser and Carra hasn't even been close to be able to replace his leadership qualities on the pitch.


    Add in Hamman and Agger too. Carragher has been a good defender in a certain type of defensive system, in which a lot of very good players contributed. Take Carragher out of that system, where he has to be more independent and his value diminishes greatly. He hasn't got the attributes necessary to be considered a great player; just a good one in a favourable (to him) system.

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      #152
      Originally posted by little dave hedgehog View Post
      he was an excellent defender arn. excellent. he hoofs the ball too much, yes, but in his primary role of stopping the ball going in he was second to none for a short while. his biggest problem is that he's my age
      I could not dig, I dared not rob:
      Therefore I lied to please the mob.
      Now all my lies are proved untrue
      And I must face the men I slew.
      What tale shall serve me here among
      Mine angry and defrauded young?

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        #153
        I was looking at Carragher's hoofs today, and I noticed the circumstances around them tended to be him being under pressure and having no full back outside to play a simple ball to. In fairness to him, on the majority of occasions today there was no other safe option available to him.

        This is just an observation based on today alone, has anyone else noticed if this is the case in other games? I'm not trying to defend him or his hoofs I'm wondering what the reasons behind them are.
        Last edited by Exiled_red; 10-09-11, 06:18 PM.
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          #154
          Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
          Troll much?





          I think Dudek was more instrumental in that win, but I wouldn't have him anywhere near our top goalkeepers.

          How am I trolling?

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            #155
            Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
            I was looking at Carragher's hoofs today, and I noticed the circumstances around them tended to be him being under pressure and having no full back outside to play a simple ball to. In fairness to him, on the majority of occasions today there was no other safe option available to him.

            This is just an observation based on today alone, has anyone else noticed if this is the case in other games? I'm wondering what the reasons behind his hoofs are.
            he plays the percentages. there are times he shouldn't launch it, but most of the time today he had very little options.
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              #156
              It's a bit silly to question his past, he's been a colossus for us. Unfortunately, football is a short career and time has caught up with Carra.
              Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                #157
                Originally posted by BootRoom View Post


                Add in Hamman and Agger too. Carragher has been a good defender in a certain type of defensive system, in which a lot of very good players contributed. Take Carragher out of that system, where he has to be more independent and his value diminishes greatly. He hasn't got the attributes necessary to be considered a great player; just a good one in a favourable (to him) system.
                He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

                Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.
                Stop the cyberhate


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                  #158
                  Originally posted by Arn View Post
                  He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

                  Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.
                  Well Benitez turned him in to a centre half so blame him.

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                    #159
                    Originally posted by Arn View Post
                    He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

                    Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.
                    It's served us pretty well in the past few years...
                    Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                      #160
                      Carra does need to be replaced but to say he WAS a poor player and not a legend is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard. Carra in his prime was a great defender and you don't play along side Sami for years if you are poor.

                      Carra's decline has been the past 2 years or so and the time is now to start the phase him out the team slowly.

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                        #161
                        Originally posted by Arn View Post

                        Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.
                        change the ****ing record, you must have cut and pasted this sentence over and over. you probably have it written in blood all over your cell.

                        you don't rate him, we get it. He's growing old, it happens. he isn't franco baresi, we know.
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                          #162
                          Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
                          he plays the percentages. there are times he shouldn't launch it, but most of the time today he had very little options.


                          I'm wondering how often this is the case, I haven't paid that much attention before to be honest I have tended to think he hoofs the ball far too much without looking at the reasons.

                          But if he plays 5 hoofs up field in a match and each time he had no other option that's different from choosing to hoof the ball up field when there are other options available. The former suggests something is wrong with the way we set up or that hoofing is a necessity, the latter just shows he likes a good hoof Before today I'd always assumed the latter
                          The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                            #163
                            Originally posted by Arn View Post
                            He is great player but only in defence. He is rubbish when it comes down to the attacking bits and always been that. He is a so called out and out defensive defender.

                            Can a team afford to have such a player in the team? A player that contributes nothing in attack and is rubbish starting up attacks.
                            Yes.

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                              #164
                              Originally posted by BootRoom View Post
                              I think Dudek was more instrumental in that win, but I wouldn't have him anywhere near our top goalkeepers.

                              How am I trolling?
                              Carra was obviously instrumental in that team and in that entire European campaign.

                              "I don't really see why such a poor footballer is regarded as a such a legend"

                              670 odd games for the club, arguably the best defender in Europe for several seasons, and you don't get why he's a club legend? I fully agree that his time is running out fast, and his deficiencies as a player have become more obvious as he's hit the wrong side of 30, but there is no need at all to diminish the role he has played for us over the last decade +
                              I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                              Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                              Now all my lies are proved untrue
                              And I must face the men I slew.
                              What tale shall serve me here among
                              Mine angry and defrauded young?

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                                #165
                                Originally posted by Chris View Post
                                Well Benitez turned him in to a centre half so blame him.
                                Stop trying to wind Arn up, it's getting very tiresome.

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