European Pecking Order?

[Maestro]

For them to go out, Bremen will need to avoid defeat in the Nou Camp. Cant see it, personally.

Don't be so sure - Bremen are **** hot at the moment. They've scored something like 20 goals in their last five matches. They have a new Brazilian player called Diego who is setting the Bundesliga alight, and their strikeforce are gelling and scoring at ease.
Barcelona are also under serious pressure, despite their decent start in La Liga.

Whatever about "history" in the competition, our experience in the Champions League is a huge plus. That doesn't mean we'll win it, but we can't be discounted from mounting a decent challenge.

[LFCman]

Just out of interest, taking off our red tinted specs, where would you rank us in terms of Europe's best sides?

I ask because no non-LFC fan i know thinks we stand ANY chance of winning the CL, but i think we've a fair shot.

Furthermore, the bookies dont rate us for it either.

So generally, how would you rank LFC in a 'league table' of best sides in Europe?

I'd say something like top 8 or so. What say you?

This is the truth I'm afraid.

Europe's finest
Liverpool

The second batch
Everyone else.

[NICKZS]

I dont think they look a spent force in the CL whatsoever, nor do i think they've struggled.

But WHEN they face someone good, they could well do, as their 'threshold' for quality is set low, according to the opposition in their group.

That's what i was saying.

I think they are a team going through a changing period and last season's CL campaign summed up the fact that they have had difficulties in finding their old dominance. They looked like utter **** against Copenhagen, and although they created chances, contrived to miss the lot of them

[Craig_H]

Don't be so sure - Bremen are **** hot at the moment. They've scored something like 20 goals in their last five matches. They have a new Brazilian player called Diego who is setting the Bundesliga alight, and their strikeforce are gelling and scoring at ease.
Barcelona are also under serious pressure, despite their decent start in La Liga.

Whatever about "history" in the competition, our experience in the Champions League is a huge plus. That doesn't mean we'll win it, but we can't be discounted from mounting a decent challenge.

I acknowledge all that about Bremen, but when push comes to shove, the fact is that Barca are a far better side and will be playing at home. Of course shocks can happen, but in this particular case, Barca will rightly be favourites and i'd certainly not be rushing to bet on Bremen to avoid defeat.

[Craig_H]

I think they are a team going through a changing period and last season's CL campaign summed up the fact that they have had difficulties in finding their old dominance. They looked like utter **** against Copenhagen, and although they created chances, contrived to miss the lot of them

Yeah, but in all honesty, looking ****e in one group games doesnt mean much IMO.

[Maestro]

I acknowledge all that about Bremen, but when push comes to shove, the fact is that Barca are a far better side and will be playing at home. Of course shocks can happen, but in this particular case, Barca will rightly be favourites and i'd certainly not be rushing to bet on Bremen to avoid defeat.

Well, I guess seeing as that particular match is a whole 4 weeks away, anything could happen yet.

[Craig_H]

Of course it 'could'.

But you seem to be trying to put forward a case whereby Bremen not losing is the LIKELY outcome, which, if you dont mind me saying, is ridiculous

[Redspin]

I dont think they look a spent force in the CL whatsoever, nor do i think they've struggled.

But WHEN they face someone good, they could well do, as their 'threshold' for quality is set low, according to the opposition in their group.

That's what i was saying.

If they didn't struggle against Copenhagen this week then I must have seen a different game

[Maestro]

Wind yer head in mate and don't try and tell me what I "seem" to be saying.
I don't mind you saying anything I say is ridiculous, quite frankly.
The facts of the debate are that you dismissed Bremen's chances rather flippantly, and I gave you my informed opinion that Bremen could give Braca a real go of it. Seems clear enough to me.

[Craig_H]

If they didn't struggle against Copenhagen this week then I must have seen a different game

Oh FFS, it was ONE fairly meaningless game, which will have no bearing on the final outcome of their qualification.

Generally, they've been playing within themselves and winning in the CL without getting out of 2nd gear.

[Craig_H]

Wind yer head in mate and don't try and tell me what I "seem" to be saying.
I don't mind you saying anything I say is ridiculous, quite frankly.
The facts of the debate are that you dismissed Bremen's chances rather flippantly, and I gave you my informed opinion that Bremen could give Braca a real go of it. Seems clear enough to me.

I'm perfectly entitled to say how your posts are coming across, whether it's intentional or not.

I'm not dismissing Bremen flippantly. You have to fall on ONE side of the debate here, either you think Barca will win, or you think they wont. I think they will. That's all.

Nothing that warrants a cyber tantrum. And for the record, isnt it meant to be my neck that you ask to be wound in?

[Maestro]

FLMAO! Cyber tantrum!! That's good. I might use that again.

[livvy145]

We were six minutes away from going out in the group stages then, "you beauty" etc.

It's still unbelievable to watch the DVD.

Those sixcrazyminutes will go down in history as probably our greatest ever.

[red g]

There are 11 sides that could win the European Cup this season...

The two favourites...

Chelsea
Barcelona

The second batch...

AC Milan
Lyon
Madrid
Manchester United

The third batch...

Bayern Munich
Arsenal
Liverpool
Valencia
Inter Milan

I'd be very surprised if any side from the third batch wins it though.

what a load of ****e.......how can we be in the third batch????? we won the cup when we had troare In the team


Chelsea
Barcelona
AC Milan
Lyon
Madrid
Manchester United
Bayern Munich
Arsenal
Liverpool
Valencia
Inter Milan

I would say those 11 teams can win it and all have a great chance.....but whoever wins it will need a slice of luck .....there isnt a stand out team this year ....so absolutely no reason why we shouldnt win it for the sixth time

[Craig_H]

It's still unbelievable to watch the DVD.

Those sixcrazyminutes will go down in history as probably our greatest ever.

Two different matches, young livs....people who go on about those sixcrazyminutes without knowing what game they took place in, are probably clueless about LFC and football in general.