Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Kenneth]

Well that was arrogant.

[BobTheCharmer]

Well that was arrogant.

from Neil? the rider of the moral high ground, surely not?

[Neil Young]

Well that was arrogant.

It's in your head.

And I thought your "...to you" comment was patronising.

So I guess we're equal.

[Kenneth]

But then I haven't suggested racist connotations to the words used by a poster, failed to explain them and expected others to believe them on the basis that I said so. So not really.

[Chrono]

Just because you may not have an appreciation of the associations of a word or phrase though it doesn't mean it's neutral and I don't think there's any harm in taking account of sensitivities once you become aware.

That really is very patronising especially given you've provided nothing to suggest your line of thinking is somehow more accurate than my own.

I don't see the race card as having any history to denial of racism...

It's not the scepticism I find obnoxious, it's the phrase because of the historical baggage of which you were previously unaware. But now you are no longer unaware I don't know why you're persisting to use it.

Sorry, at what point did you educate me on the historical baggage of this phrase?

I'd also like to point out that the only way in which I have continued to use the phrase was in the context of this discussion.

[Neil Young]

But then I haven't suggested racist connotations to the words used by a poster, failed to explain them and expected others to believe them on the basis that I said so. So not really.

Your contribution added nothing as it didn't need saying. I was speaking for myself.

I also don't need to justify my comments to you or to anyone. I specifically wasn't accusing anyone of using a phrase with racist connotations (yes, 'to me' ) in order to push a racist agenda.

I suppose you'd rather I hadn't said anything and just associate anyone who accuses Evra of it with the BNP.

[Neil Young]

That really is very patronising especially given you've provided nothing to suggest your line of thinking is somehow more accurate than my own.





Sorry, at what point did you educate me on the historical baggage of this phrase?

I'd also like to point out that the only way in which I have continued to use the phrase was in the context of this discussion.

I'm not suggesting my view is more or less accurate, I'm saying it's different.

See my previous post and let me know if that's what you'd prefer.

I'm keeping this brief as I have to go out now - please don't think I'm being deliberately curt.

[Kenneth]

Your contribution added nothing as it didn't need saying. I was speaking for myself.

I also don't need to justify my comments to you or to anyone. I specifically wasn't accusing anyone of using a phrase with racist connotations (yes, 'to me' ) in order to push a racist agenda.

I suppose you'd rather I hadn't said anything and just associate anyone who accuses Evra of it with the BNP.

"By all means express scepticism but saying someone is "playing the race card" brings along with it a history of denial about racism."


Ok, maybe it was just missing an imo.

We all move on.

[Chrono]

Let's all go for a picnic.

[fah-q]

The word Picnic was rumoured to have racist connotations but this has since been disproved.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp

[Kenneth]

The word Picnic was rumoured to have racist connotations but this has since been disproved.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp

[Fredo]

[cream]

No blacks!

Racist.

[Chrono]

The word Picnic was rumoured to have racist connotations but this has since been disproved.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp

FLMAO!

Ok, perhaps we should go bowling instead (fingers crossed).

[CJ]

Of course to me and also to others. And of course not to everyone, which is why I'm not accusing people who have used it here of being racist like those who have used the phrase elsewhere, at other times.

Just because you may not have an appreciation of the associations of a word or phrase though it doesn't mean it's neutral and I don't think there's any harm in taking account of sensitivities once you become aware. It simply means people aren't going to mistake your position on the issue by not confusing your views with those you yourself would find repellent.


It's not the scepticism I find obnoxious, it's the phrase because of the historical baggage of which you were previously unaware. But now you are no longer unaware I don't know why you're persisting to use it.

I don't think a false allegation 'makes light' of anything but I'd agree it's clearly wrong and does not help the fight against racism. Whether a recipient of racial prejudice would feel more or less offended by it than something else, I don't know. But it's not either/or - it's easy to avoid using the phrase while communicating what you want to say.

you seemed less inclined to take account to malcg's sensabilites about the british army in afganistan