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Didn't know where to put this so here'll do. Good/funny article on the Anfield Wrap.

JAMES LAWTON ARE YOU MENTAL? – THE GREAT KENNY VS ROY HODGSON COMPARISON

by Rob Gutmann // 20 November 2011 // 0 comments

IT’S GETTING to be a recurring theme bashing pressmen from this platform.

Sorry boys, some of yoose are dead good and I really dig your stuff. Some of yoose aren’t though. Some of your number are doing their jobs in a half arsed way. Some of your profession are addressing their keyboards with quarter baked, ill researched, preconceived agendas.

Some, Like James Lawton at the independent are evidently just a bit tapped. James, it seems, wanted to be one of the first of the (cough) heavy weights to gently, sagely and with requisite respect, put the big boot into Kenny Dalglish.

In last week’s Indie he eased his way into the task at hand by back-handedly complimenting Dalglish on his erstwhile messianic qualities and Glaswegian working class cunning :

of course while street smartness may serve some purposes, it probably doesn’t include addressing the stirrings of a perhaps seriously challenging problem.

James has been round the block. He’s seen it all before, and Kenny’s not fooling him. He likes Kenny. Of course he does. What’s not to like. Kenny won’t take this the wrong way. He respects Kenny :

We know the gift Kenny Dalglish brought back to Anfield at the start of this year, we know how he reminded a great football club of what it used to be and what it might become once again.

Good stuff James, so what, excuse the language, is your ****ing point? The boot was being primed surely enough though, and the following stunning and ‘brave’ conclusion was heavy heartedly being drawn :

Unfortunately, the unsayable is beginning to be said because for all the signings, all the old excitement of a club on the move, the now unavoidable truth is that the records of Kenny Dalglish and Roy Hodgson are not exactly separated by a chasm that might readily explain the joy with which one was received and the contempt that went into the dispatching of the other.

There we had it. The elephant in the room was being squarely confronted. No turning back now for James. He’d equated Liverpool legend Kenneth Matheson Dalglish with the managerial nomark’s nomark of choice, Royston Vasey Hodgson. A bold move from a veteran hack who has been-there done-that, is well respected, and has the balls to sometimes just call it as it is.

Go-ed then James, tell us what you’ve stumbled across that brings us to this point, to this conclusion that none of us want to face, but need to be big enough to look squarely in the eye.

Well, James may have been around in the days before PCs and DVDs and the interweb and Blu Ray and all that. He still remembers when there was none of this televised press conference malarkey. James used to take Cloughie out, get him pissed, get the scoop of the season, wake up with a ******* behind the eyes and a brass in the bed next to him, and think ‘I’m living the dream. You can stick ya Woodward and Bernstein up your arse (hic)’.

Nowadays it’s all tactical chalkboards in the Guardian, Sports scientists, managers who think they’ve been to University, and bespectacled backroom technical experts boring the life out of the game with endless statistical analysis.

But no! Wait! James, can beat them all at their own game. You want some stats? James has got stats for you, and they’re ready to be used to demonstrate that Roy Hodgson isn’t that much worse of a manager than Kenny Dalglish. Or perhaps more that Kenny ain’t much better than Roy. Here they are then :

Hodgson averaged 1.25 points over 20 Premier League games, Dalglish is running at 1.80 in 29. In all competitions, Hodgson won 13, drew 9, lost 9 with a winning percentage of 0.42. Dalglish emerges only a little to the good with figures of managed 37, won 19, drew 9, lost 9 and a percentage at 0.51.

Aw, Jesus, James. What have you gone and said. You’re telling us that , firstly, Dalglish’s point getting rate is virtually 50% greater than Roy Hodgson’s, and that in win percentage terms he’s won about 23% more than Hodgson. In fact you tell us that despite a patchy start to this season Kenny has a win percentage that bears up well compared to the greats of the game (Shankly at 52%, Matt Busby at 50%).

… except, you didn’t actually tell us any of those things. You present your killer point, your QED moment with stark bollock naked stats that prove, yes prove, your central thesis that ‘Dalglish ain’t a real improvement on Hodgson’. Unfortunately those betraying sneaky little stats actually demonstrate the exact opposite.

Yes, we know that if there are statistics and damned lies there is also something else that builds over the football months.

No **** fella. Time out now required to laugh at this. James, we are all laughing at You. Somewhere too, let us wish, that Kenny is too. You big dope. Go back to school. It’s never too late. Get on a course. Take an evening class.

As well as basking in James Lawton’s comedy the opportunity feels apt to put some of the general Dalglish-Hodgson comparison whimsy firmly in its place. JL at the Indie is not the only one to have stepped into this nonsensical territory.

The stats, bless ‘em, are starker still if you don’t dope them, even in a half cock-eyed way, like Lawton did. Firstly, in comparing KD and RH, one has to discard results from an impoverished Europa Cup. 4 of Hodgson’s bounty of 6 wins in this competition came in the embarrassingly mismatched qualifying phase. A phase Kenny didn’t have the benefit of getting free wins on the board from.

Take out this competition and leave the comparable rest and we see Kenny has 18 wins, 7 draws and 8 defeats, a win percentage of about 55%. Roy is left with 7 wins, 5 draws and 9 defeats, and a mighty (****) win percentage of 33%. Kenny therefore has won 67% more games than Roy Hodgson. That’s a lot more, James Lawton. There’s your ****ing ‘chasm’. These records are as comparable as chalk and any manner of cheese you care to name.

Just before completing this I noted that the ‘Tomkins Times’ has beaten me to the punch with a piece on Lawton under their ‘Media muppet of the month’ banner. Comfort is to be taken that I’m not losing my mind on this. Surely I’d missed something. No one can be that stupid – as James Lawton, I mean.
Part of me would like to think that somehow somewhere, in a bar perhaps, that James L will be perched on a stool, ruddy faced, tired and confused, fiddling with his phone, googling himself, and will stumble across this and the Tomkins Times piece.

Maybe, he’d order himself a 4th scotch and soda, and a pint to to keep it company, before settling himself to read on. He’d turn to the chap seated next to him to offer him a drink too, but he’s gone now. He won’t be back. Sure he said he was just popping to the gents. Ah well.

James does read on. His brow furrows , his jowels hang lower, and his flush becomes fuller. None of this is making sense. No sense at all. He’d checked those statistics thoroughly. Well, he’d read about someone checking them and they seemed the right sort.

What are these people talking about for Christ’s sake?! He knocks the scotch back in one and swerves and swoops swiftly onto the pint for the wash down. He belches, dabs that corner crevice of his mouth where drool and overspillage marry, and returns to the offending internet babble.

He reads on in silence, frozen for moments, but teetering ever more at the edge of that bar stool. He finishes. Swears to himself. James, my old son, you are going to have to cut down. He re-assures himself of this nightly. It seems enough.

He burps once more, and forces the phone back inside his inside jacket pocket. One more please, and then that, is definitely my lot. What time is it? Really? Ok, I’ll have another half with it. **** it, make it a full throttle job. Ha, ha, ha, ha,HA, HA,ha, ha, ha, ha,ha , ha HA-Ha (cough cough) hahaha, ha ha, Haaaa……(sobs).

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/11/james-lawton-are-you-mental-%E2%80%93-the-great-kenny-vs-roy-hodgson-comparison/

[Daniel 7]

Is that you with Platini Craig?

[Craig_H]

Is that you with Platini Craig?

The **** it is. I took his picture because he's something of a legend. I was never going to stand next to him and pose though, because he's something of a cunt

[~LFCHistory~]

Best win of the season so far IMO. Player ratings :

Reina 7.5/10 - Didn't have a great deal to do but did make one outstanding save that saved us from dropping any points.

Johson 8.5/10 - MOTM - Excellent going forward all game constantly linking up with Kuyt and Bellamy on the right. Scored a cracking goal to round off his best performance in some time. Didn't give him a 9/10 because he got caught out several times defensively which is to be expected with Glen I suppose.

Skrtel 8/10 - Very good from Martin again. Won every duel on the ground and aerially if I recall. Really is a different player when paired with Agger.

Agger 7/10 - Standard performance from Agger - calm and confident. However he did play a part in Chelsea's goal which isn't like him.

Enrique 7.5 - Kept Mata quiet in the first half and Sturridge in the second.

Kuyt 6.5 - Decent from Dirk. Helped out Johnson on the right and linked up fairly well with our forwards.

Lucas 7/10 - Did well in the anchor role. Quiet at times but overall a good performance from Lucas.

Adam 8/10 - Charlie's best performance in a red shirt by some way IMO. Seemed to benefit from being surrounded by quality players like Maxi and Bellamy. Have a feeling Dalglish and Clarke had a word with him to keep his passing simple and short, can only remember him attempting 1 hollywood pass at the end of the game to Johnson which led to our second goal. I only gave him an 8/10 for two reasons - 1. His corners and free kicks were atrocious 2. After an excellent 1st half he faded badly in the second which once again raises the fears about his stamina. Still, an encouraging performance from Adam.

Maxi 8/10 - Finally Maxi starts his first PL game this season at the tail end of November which is a disgrace when you say it out loud. The fact of the matter is this - when Maxi plays pass and move returns. Can't remember him misplacing a pass all game and of course took his goal well. Faded in the second which the Sky commentators pointed was understandable due to his lack of game time this season. Deserves to start next week.

Bellamy 8/10 - Classy from Craig. Got an assist and was constantly involved in Chelsea's half. Like Maxi he should start next week.

Suarez 7.5 - Not Luis best performance but he was still a massive threat going forward. Hope off the field matters aren't affecting him.

Subs :

Henderson 6/10 - Looked comfortable in the middle and made one excellent run late on presenting Kuyt with a good chance which was wasted.

Downing - Anonymous.

Carroll - Looked like he hadn't recovered from last night.

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Maxi 8/10 - Finally Maxi starts his first PL game this season at the tail end of November which is a disgrace when you say it out loud. The fact of the matter is this - when Maxi plays pass and move returns. Can't remember him misplacing a pass all game and of course took his goal well. Faded in the second which the Sky commentators pointed was understandable due to his lack of game time this season. Deserves to start next week.
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Mid first half he completely mi**** a pass to Johnson (I think) missing by about 5 yards and going for a throw.

[spud_gun]

couple of points

Bellers

ban.

[danperkins]

Just wanted to mention Henderson's cameo. It was brilliant, he's a special player who's obviously been struggling with the pressure of expectation in a big club but he came in and really gave us a lift.

Been saying it for ages now, Henderson & Downing should be used in cameo/impact roles for the time being.

Not ready to be starters & decent impact roles could boost their confidence

[~LFCHistory~]

Mid first half he completely mi**** a pass to Johnson (I think) missing by about 5 yards and going for a throw.

Oh yeah, I remember that now that you mention it.

[Craig_H]

Been saying it for ages now, Henderson & Downing should be used in cameo/impact roles for the time being.

Not ready to be starters & decent impact roles could boost their confidence

Nah, what you've been saying for ages is that you think they're **** and shouldnt play. You've never mentioned anything about 'cameo appearances'

[~LFCHistory~]

Been saying it for ages now, Henderson & Downing should be used in cameo/impact roles for the time being.

Not ready to be starters & decent impact roles could boost their confidence

Henderson has a future at this club if he is used in CM. Downing and Carroll however...........

[Shaggy]

[Buzzo]

Merieles in the background

[danperkins]

Nah, what you've been saying for ages is that you think they're **** and shouldnt play. You've never mentioned anything about 'cameo appearances'

EDIT:

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2118785&highlight=impact+roles#post2118785

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2125645&highlight=impact#post2125645

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2122614&highlight=impact#post2122614

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2122605&highlight=impact#post2122605

[Craig_H]

No mention of 'cameo' then