Mark Gonzalez

[Morph]

You're comparing Morientes and Shevchenko?

And MINE was a silly comment?

I'm comparing the situation as both are quality footballers let's not Forget Morrientes was one of the best in the world for a time. Both came from foreign leagues to ply their trade here. Both had trouble in the beginning, Morrientes ultimately failed, and it remains to be seen if Shevchenko will cut it in our league.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that comparison.

[Craig_H]

I'm comparing the situation as both are quality footballers let's not Forget Morrientes was one of the best in the world for a time. Both came from foreign leagues to ply their trade here. Both had trouble in the beginning, Morrientes ultimately failed, and it remains to be seen if Shevchenko will cut it in our league.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that comparison.

The problem is, Morientes was nowhere near his peak when he joined us.

Hence, i find it a silly comparison.

[Morph]

The problem is, Morientes was nowhere near his peak when he joined us.

Hence, i find it a silly comparison.

I'm sorry remind me how many goals he's got for Valencia now, is it 9? and how many for Shevchenko, 2?

He might not be at his peak, but he's just gone to a new team and scored 9 goals, that suggests to me that his best days aren't quite behind him yet.

I'd be willing to bet Shevchenko is going to have the same problems Morro did in our league.

So I think it's quite conceivable to doubt him, until he proves otherwise. He might be the best striker in the world when he's playing in Italy, but it means **** all here.

[Kopite75]

I know how Gonzalez got his black eye - and much much more. Just pay me £30 and I'll make up some bull****-- errr I mean tell you.

Dunk thanks for the laugh

[Craig_H]

Tell me something mate.

Do you consider it too early (10 games, is it?) to write off LFC's season, after such a poor start?

[Morph]

Tell me something mate.

Do you consider it too early (10 games, is it?) to write off LFC's season, after such a poor start?

Not sure if this is aimed at me, seeing as you asked me yesterday, but no I haven't written the season off completely, however I must add I never had visions of us winning the prem this season, I thought a second place finish would be acceptable this season.

if your making some kind of comparison between writing our league chances off and writing Shevchenko off, then that really is a silly.

I haven't written Shevchenko off at all, but he needs to prove himself all over again here, and at the moment he hasn't. His reputation means nothing at the moment because he hasn't done anything to back it up, and in the games I've seen with him playing for Chelsea he's looks poor. Now that could be down to a number of things of course and we'll see at the end of the season. My gut feling is that he will be another Morientes, but of course he could score a hat trick today, so we'll have to wait and see.

That answer your question?

[Craig_H]

I see what you're saying, but you seem to be of the opinion that he WONT prove himself, whereas i disagree.

[Jayesh87]

I know how Gonzalez got his black eye - and much much more. Just pay me £30 and I'll make up some bull****-- errr I mean tell you.

[Morph]

I see what you're saying, but you seem to be of the opinion that he WONT prove himself, whereas i disagree.

Well going on his performances so far he's no better than Morrientes, but the Golden boot isn't handed out in November. I just didn't think he was suited to our league when he signed for Chelsea, and he'll find it doubly hard in a team full of 'superstars' anyway.

Point is, I don't let what a player has done in another influence my opinion of them, until I've seen them play in our league.

[Craig_H]

That's fair enough, but i still think he'll do the business eventually.

To be fair, if you took your comparison to most neutrals, they'd probably think you were joking.

[Morph]

That's fair enough, but i still think he'll do the business eventually.

To be fair, if you took your comparison to most neutrals, they'd probably think you were joking.

Don't see why it's a fair comparison.

How bout if I compare him to Cisse then?

[Craig_H]

If you really cant see that Shevchenko is one of the world's top 5 strikers, while Morientes and Cisse arent, then there's little more to discuss.

[Morph]

If you really cant see that Shevchenko is one of the world's top 5 strikers, while Morientes and Cisse arent, then there's little more to discuss.

I'm comparing the situation, not the quality of the striker, how is that unclear?

[Craig_H]

You argued earlier, in response to me calling Shevchenko brilliant, that Moro is/could still be brilliant. That implied that you're comparing the two players themselves, in terms of quality. I personally think there's no comparison, from that point of view, to make.

[Morph]

You argued earlier, in response to me calling Shevchenko brilliant, that Moro is/could still be brilliant. That implied that you're comparing the two players themselves, in terms of quality. I personally think there's no comparison, from that point of view, to make.

No that's you choosing what you want to see

I said that they both had very similar situations, and both were good footballers, as a way of providing a comparison between two good footballers coming from different leagues to the English Prem.

I'm not saying Shevchenko will fail because Morro did, I'm saying that there's a possibility that he won't make it big over here. Players with big reputations don't always make it here you know, wther they have a 30mil price tag or not.

Why don't you read the posts again before trying to pick up on something, that isn't there to be picked up on.