Liverpool Stoke post game waking up thread

[Lecter]

I've got loads of complaints about today, our home form all season, Kenny's decisions - but this is true. Makes 'truefan' look a total cunt only coming on after a poor result and giving it the whole "I told you so" ****e. In fact he has actually said "I told you so". It's pathetic.

[Fredo]

But we've created enough chances to kill off most of our home games

Ok maybe not today but this isnt the norm

The norm is for us to create chance and to miss them

Even "game changers" like Suarez havent "changed" the game enough this season

We arent clinical enough we desperately need a striker at the very least

We create far far more chances when Suarez plays. He's our most potent attacking weapon, virtually creates space and chances all by himself. Today was a case in point. Each time our midfield had the ball and looked up for a run, bar Kuyt there was nothing.

[Bender]

So you don't think they will spend money??

My point was they will continue to invest if they want to move forward especially as the initial financial cash inflow is very important in first few years.

I disagree about not getting into CL not being critical.

I think it is very much so as it would be third year in row we didn't make it and if we miss it out again not only we'll lose on very lucrative CL revenue but it will affect our other revenue streams from sponsorship deals, marketing, merchandise to fans base erosion and inability to sign quality players, which many will point out is the reason why were are where we are atm.

All these things combine will have impact on us due to FFPR as FSG seems very committed to run their business within those parameters.

continue to invest ? no they wil ask kd to justify his outlay on carroll and co ....i don't think he will get much to spend in jan or the summer....... his sigings have not been a success

[BootRoom]

We create far far more chances when Suarez plays. He's our most potent attacking weapon, virtually creates space and chances all by himself. Today was a case in point. Each time our midfield had the ball and looked up for a run, bar Kuyt there was nothing.

[Lecter]

I agree, but the problem does boil down to buying **** players, for which, Kenny will have to take some stick unfortunately.

Downing is ****

Carroll well I'm still on the fence on that

None of the others are ****

[Mostar]

continue to invest ? no they wil ask kd to justify his outlay on carroll and co ....i don't think he will get much to spend in jan or the summer....... his sigings have not been a success

Sorry but that doesn't make any sense.

If we don't spend money on new signings we'll not improve especially if our new signings did not work out.

They are smart to know that they cannot leave it to chance and I have no doubts they will spend but the question is how much and who will be in charge of those decisions.

They also know that signing players is not science and managers make mistakes all the time just like Rafa did or Fergie or any other for that matter and I don't think for a second that they wil close the tap now and say "You had your chance and you spent money. Now turn things around on your own".

They would be someting you could expect from H&G but I truly cannot see that from FSG.

[fidget]

Downing is ****

Carroll well I'm still on the fence on that

None of the others are ****

+1

[Lecter]

he could probably win by signing a couple of strikers who don't suck at the moment.

We desperately need a goalscorer

Either on loan or permanent

Our most accurate striker (bestt conversion rate) is Bellamy (36%) hes probably also our most creative player (for minutes on the pitch)

Then you have Suarez & Carroll (7% and 6%)

I'd settle for a forward who has a 15% conversion rate because at least it would be double what we are getting from Suarez & Carroll

That said finishing wasnt our problem today

[cream]

Downing is ****

Carroll well I'm still on the fence on that

None of the others are ****

Downing is ****

Carroll isn't a football player

Adam is pretty average

Henderson is a work in progress

Bellamy can't play many games

Not very good is it?

[Lecter]

yes but at least he is direct and creates space, we looked pathetic going forward and i am sure Stevie G would have had found him on a few occasions, granted he may have wasted them, but at least he would have had the movement to get there!

But it still wouldnt have helped us win the match

We'd still be relying on players finishing who are frankly ****ing ****e in front of goal including Suarez

Seriously 7% conversion rate

Thats ****ing criminal for a player of his quality

[BootRoom]

But it still wouldnt have helped us win the match

We'd still be relying on players finishing who are frankly ****ing ****e in front of goal including Suarez

Seriously 7% conversion rate

Thats ****ing criminal for a player of his quality

So by your logic, Suarez's 8 game ban isn't doing us much harm?

[Fredo]

But it still wouldnt have helped us win the match

We'd still be relying on players finishing who are frankly ****ing ****e in front of goal including Suarez

Seriously 7% conversion rate

Thats ****ing criminal for a player of his quality

He needs a foil. Will take some pressure off him.

[Lecter]

Eh? Are you saying that if Luis Suarez was playing instead of say, Dirk Kuyt, we definitely wouldn't have won?

Yes

Unless I'm not mistaken we havent won EVERY game Suarez has played - have we?

Unless I'm mistaken Suarez for all his brilliance still only has a 7% conversi0n rate

Fine if you are talking about someone like Rush in his pomp then imo he WAS a game changer because his conversion rate was ****ing immense

[Mostar]

But it still wouldnt have helped us win the match

We'd still be relying on players finishing who are frankly ****ing ****e in front of goal including Suarez

Seriously 7% conversion rate

Thats ****ing criminal for a player of his quality

In fairness, he didn't have anybody to play with and I personally think he conversion rate will improve now that Stevie is back and hopefully when we buy a striker to take some pressure of him as Andy cannot do the job he was brough in for.

[Muddled]

A few numbers:

We had 13 shots on goal, 5 of which were on target. (Stoke had 3 shots on goal, 1 on target).

We bossed the possession, 60-40.

We are five points off fourth and could potentially end the weekend in 7th.