Liverpool Stoke post game waking up thread

[Lecter]

Without Suarez we're just a mediocre team.

We still wouldnt have won even if he had played

Hes as wasteful as the rest of the squad

[little dave hedgehog]

And yet certain people on this forum have stated its imperative not to play Carroll because he isnt good enough and isnt suited to our style

As for Bellamy its accepted he can only start 1 game per week because of his knees

If we play him two games in a row we risk losing him for awhile

Dalglish cant win

If he'd have played Carroll and drawn he would have been panned also

he could probably win by signing a couple of strikers who don't suck at the moment.

[Mostar]

Its not bull**** about Bellamy

His knees are ****ed

IF we play him in games in a row we risk losing him for a long period

Sadly thats the reality of the situation with Bellamy

Unfortunately it only shows our problems when we have to rely on 32 -year old player to rescue us that was originally signed only to be a cover and provide assistance when rest is need to our top players.

He was never brought in to be our go-to guy.

[red g]

I agree, but the problem does boil down to buying **** players, for which, Kenny will have to take some stick unfortunately.

When you look at the players I just hope Kenny was railroaded into them by a mixture of Moneyball and comolli, becuase who ever suggested downing and Carroll neeed barring from transfer activity all together.

[Rigadon]

Its not bull**** about Bellamy

His knees are ****ed

IF we play him in games in a row we risk losing him for a long period

Sadly thats the reality of the situation with Bellamy

Bellamy was keen to express his gratitude of thanks to Kenny Dalglish and the Anfield medical team for protecting him and helping him be involved in the majority of the games so far this season.

He told liverpoolfc.tv: "I have been available for every single game which has been great for me. At the start of the season a lot of players set themselves targets such as goal tallies but I don't have any of that. I just want to be available for every single game because my fitness has been my biggest problem all of my career.

"I've had six knee operations and I missed a whole season with my hernia once so a lot of football has been taken away from me through injury, so I'm at the stage of my career where I just want to be available and want to be able to have a chance of playing every game.

"The manager and the medical staff at Liverpool have given me that chance and I am very grateful to them for that.

"I've always enjoyed my football and it's great playing for Liverpool under Kenny. I always try and work as hard as I can and do my best for this club."

[red g]

We still wouldnt have won even if he had played

Hes as wasteful as the rest of the squad

yes but at least he is direct and creates space, we looked pathetic going forward and i am sure Stevie G would have had found him on a few occasions, granted he may have wasted them, but at least he would have had the movement to get there!

[andrewces38]

Kenny will deffo have to admit to a major cock up today , Imagine the response if the Dodge had bought that shower and played those tactics? That being said it's too early for me to start slagging KK off but some serious conversations must be had this week as to what direction the club wants to go because we deffo need a striker and its a MUST ( and I also need to spell definatly )

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

When you look at the players I just hope Kenny was railroaded into them by a mixture of Moneyball and comolli, becuase who ever suggested downing and Carroll neeed barring from transfer activity all together.

Maybe it about poor communication.. Comolli "Stewart Downing has shown very good stats over the past couple of years, would you like him" Kenny "Yeah I like him" Comolli "Done" "ps he cost £20m"

[Lecter]

Aye.

They can't as their investment is losing value if they leave things status quo but the question is who will decide which players we bring in.

If Carroll, Downing, Hendo etc were Kenny's calls I cannot see them trusting him much with next purchases.

Seriously you think the club is worth less today than when they bought it??

Their investment isnt losing money

Its revenues are increasing

They will look for long term ROI not immediate returns

I said months ago getting in the Champions League was not critical this year - desirable yes but not critical

Their plan is to grow the club long term

[Lecter]

No..this is the point..where you don't say anything..as it gives people more reason to suspect you as a 'Manc WUM' as they will say you only ever post when we don't win.. :tut: :tut:

[BootRoom]

We still wouldnt have won even if he had played

Hes as wasteful as the rest of the squad

Eh? Are you saying that if Luis Suarez was playing instead of say, Dirk Kuyt, we definitely wouldn't have won?

[Lecter]

7 home draws out of 11.
Suarez has played in what 8 or 9 of those 11 games.
No good moaning at Carroll because today like the previous few games he got absolutely no service whatsoever.
Those tactics were terrible, everyone could see that as soon as the team was announced.
There would be anarchy if Hodgson or even Rafa had this home record and type of performances game after game

I think you also have to take into account the performances though in the main we've played well and attacked teams without converting the numerous chances we've made

In general we've deserved a lot more out of those home games than we have got

We pretty much got what we deserved under Hodgson - ****e football, ****e results

[Lecter]

I think we should get away from thinking about the new manager.

Kenny's tactics today were poor and he deserves criticism for that but our team collectively let him down today as they have done it in the past.

We don't have enough difference makers, game changers and playmakers that can single handedly influence the outcome.

We have improved the squad depth compared to the previous season but we are in short supply when it comes to true quality footballers.

Until we go out and buy those types of players we will see this type of performances more often than not.

But we've created enough chances to kill off most of our home games

Ok maybe not today but this isnt the norm

The norm is for us to create chance and to miss them

Even "game changers" like Suarez havent "changed" the game enough this season

We arent clinical enough we desperately need a striker at the very least

[Lecter]

I suppose we should doff our cap in the direction of Stoke City; they set their stall up to defend and defend they did. Extremely well.

I think it's safe to say that Stoke will have been preparing for today's game with Carroll in mind. Can you imagine their delight when they found out Kuyt was leading our line?

Kuyt looks a different player this season; he's obviously not happy with his bit-part role in the team, which in turn is making him look off the pace. Any run made towards the box, he checked and loitered outside looking for the simple ball, only once did he really make an effort to get beyond the ball and for the majority of the first half, we ended up being reliant on Adam running from deep to have a threat in the box.

Kuyt is finished for me

A great servant for the club but his times up me thinks

[Mostar]

Seriously you think the club is worth less today than when they bought it??

Their investment isnt losing money

Its revenues are increasing

They will look for long term ROI not immediate returns

I said months ago getting in the Champions League was not critical this year - desirable yes but not critical

Their plan is to grow the club long term

So you don't think they will spend money then?

My point was they will continue to invest if they want to move forward especially as the initial financial cash inflow is very important in first few years why we are still building the team.

I disagree about not getting into CL not being critical.

Sure we don't need CL to stay in existance but I think it is very much critical for us to make it as it would be third year in row we didn't make it and if we miss it out again not only we'll lose on very lucrative CL revenue but it will affect our other revenue streams from sponsorship deals, marketing, merchandise to fans base erosion and inability to sign quality players, which many will point out is the reason why were are where we are atm.

All these things combine will have impact on us due to FFPR as FSG seems very committed to run their business within those parameters.