QPR Post-Match Thread

[Lecter]

As far as im concerned we need at least 5 new players (1 central defender,2 midfielders and 2 strikers).Suarez should be an attacking midfielder not a striker. At this moment in time our team is woeful no consistancy no urgency no creativity.We dont need to break the bank but we need to buy decent players.

Do you think Suarez could do the defensive side of things from midfield??

IF we were to give him a free role how would that affect Gerrard as to me that is definitely were he excels

[Craig_H]

We all wanted to win and we were all made up to win, but I think it has only superficially papered over what has been an awful league season and a horrific run of league form that is worse than I can remember.

I think it's been (or is on course to be) a pretty disappointing league season. Awful is too strong a word when, as seems likely, we'll finish up 3 places below what we targetted. Awful would be something like 10th and disasterous would be comfortably bottom half.

[Shaggy]

As far as many more signs of progress with Ged and Rafa - really? Rafa's first league season - do you remember the away record? Almost Hodgson-esque, wasnt it? I remember it was abysmal anyway, in context of what Rafa THEN went on to do in future seasons. Which is kind of my point summed up, as regards Kenny needing to be given more time.

I think so, yeah. Sure the league campaign was poor but it was a much stronger league. We need 16 points from our last 9 games to equal our points tally in 2004/05 - in a far weaker league than it was back then.

Mourinho's Chelsea, United of Ronaldo & Rooney, Arsenal post-invincibles. Now we've got a dysfunctional albeit rich City side, the worst United team in living memory, Chelsea in crisis, Arsenal in crisis, and Spurs doing well and then collapsing, and we're still ****ing it up.

We scored 52 goals that season. We now have 35 in 29 games. So we need 18 more goals in the remaining 9 games. We had Alonso, Garcia and the plan was obvious. I just don't see much of a plan now and have no idea how the new players were supposed to fit into whatever the hell it is we're trying to do.

However I don't want to judge Kenny based on comparisons with others, rather based on what I've seen this season. I just don't like this team very much.

[qabiri]

I love Kenny but i want Liverpool to play the right way,if he goes for any reason i want Brendon Rogers to take over.

[Darkon]

We simply don't score enough goals as a team and the whole lot of them have to take the blame for it. We played well for about 75 minutes last night and then 15 minutes of madness cost us the 3 points, regardless of last night though all of the first team players have to stand up and be counted with chipping in for goals.

18 goals at home and 17 away is ****ing woeful (in the league)

Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt, Henderson, Downing & Adam all need to be doing more on a more consistent basis infront of goal and quite honestly a few of them in that list should be on a warning that unless they improve dramatically between now and the summer they should start looking for another club!

I think all in that list should consider themselves lucky that we don't have a broader squad. Everyone from Spearing/Lucas upwards have not been good enough at getting goals this season. We have not had 1 player (Gerrard maybe) that scores regularly or you can look at and consider a real threat right now. It might be loss of form/confidence on somes behalf, but it simply not good enough. We need to get more competition for those places, and all you mention should be in danger of losing their starting lineup.

And I agree with the post in general.

[Lecter]

I think so, yeah. Sure the league campaign was poor but it was a much stronger league. We need 16 points from our last 9 games to equal our points tally in 2004/05 - in a far weaker league than it was back then.

Mourinho's Chelsea, United of Ronaldo & Rooney, Arsenal post-invincibles. Now we've got a dysfunctional albeit rich City side, the worst United team in living memory, Chelsea in crisis, Arsenal in crisis, and Spurs doing well and then collapsing, and we're still ****ing it up.

We scored 52 goals that season. We now have 35 in 29 games. So we need 18 more goals in the remaining 9 games. We had Alonso, Garcia and the plan was obvious. I just don't see much of a plan now and have no idea how the new players were supposed to fit into whatever the hell it is we're trying to do.

However I don't want to judge Kenny based on comparisons with others, rather based on what I've seen this season. I just don't like this team very much.

I'm not sure it was a stronger league

The top teams were better no doubt about that but the lower teams were shockingly **** (and we still failed to win those games often)

Now I think the standard of the top teams has fallen (look at European performance as an indicator of that) and the standard of the lesser teams has probably improved

That probably makes the league more competitive but not of a better quality

[Lecter]

I think all in that list should consider themselves lucky that we don't have a broader squad. Everyone from Spearing/Lucas upwards have not been good enough at getting goals this season. We have not had 1 player (Gerrard maybe) that scores regularly or you can look at and consider a real threat right now. It might be loss of form/confidence on somes behalf, but it simply not good enough. We need to get more competition for those places, and all you mention should be in danger of losing their starting lineup.

And I agree with the post in general.

[Galb]

I think so, yeah. Sure the league campaign was poor but it was a much stronger league. We need 16 points from our last 9 games to equal our points tally in 2004/05 - in a far weaker league than it was back then.

Mourinho's Chelsea, United of Ronaldo & Rooney, Arsenal post-invincibles. Now we've got a dysfunctional albeit rich City side, the worst United team in living memory, Chelsea in crisis, Arsenal in crisis, and Spurs doing well and then collapsing, and we're still ****ing it up.

We scored 52 goals that season. We now have 35 in 29 games. So we need 18 more goals in the remaining 9 games. We had Alonso, Garcia and the plan was obvious. I just don't see much of a plan now and have no idea how the new players were supposed to fit into whatever the hell it is we're trying to do.

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This is what's most frustrating about our current situation. We were so close before H&G started sucking money and players out of the club. If we'd held that squad together for even one more season - not even added to it, just kept it intact - I think we'd be looking at two or three titles by now. The standard of the teams at the top has plummeted so much its unbelievable.

[Gingawaria]

I don't know, but I think it's favourable and he should have started last night. To be honest I think he's being mis-managed.

Unfortunately I agree, the worst thing you can do for the lads confidence is drop him. He's been contributing a lot more recently and has started showing what he's capable of and dropping him will probably set him back for a couple of matches.

Poor management that I'm afraid.

I love Kenny to bits, it's plain to see he loves this club with every inch of his being, but I'm wondering whether it's just a bit too much for him. The pressures in the game are so much bigger than they were in the 80's and I worry he's not up to the task anymore.

I pray I'm wrong but I love the guy and I want him to succeed to badly. But at the moment, I just can't see it.

It's heartbreaking.

[The Birdman]

I love Kenny but i want Liverpool to play the right way,if he goes for any reason i want Brendon Rogers to take over.

He's certainly flavour of the month but it will take more than 1 good season before he is ready for the LFC job

[Shaggy]

I'm not sure it was a stronger league

The top teams were better no doubt about that but the lower teams were shockingly **** (and we still failed to win those games often)

Now I think the standard of the top teams has fallen (look at European performance as an indicator of that) and the standard of the lesser teams has probably improved

That probably makes the league more competitive but not of a better quality

Think the middle of the table is arguably stronger, but the top end (i.e. our rivals) is significantly weaker and I can't remember a set of poorer teams than those who are at the bottom this year (Wolves, Bolton, Wigan, QPR, Blackburn).

I don't think many would argue with the idea that this season's Prem is as weak/poor as it's been for a long time.

[Darkon]

We are not responsible for the quality of players bought nor the formations and tactics used.

No but we are responsible for the pressure and expectations put on a team that have not won the league for 22 years, and yet most of us still go in to a season with the idea/expectation of us challenging for it.

I think we are expecting to much right now, and in that sense I think Phoenix is correct. We base our expectations on our history rather than on the present.

If we accepted the fact we are no longer a top team that can start a challenge overnight, then fewer would be calling for the managers head after a bit more than a year in charge.

[Shaggy]

He's certainly flavour of the month but it will take more than 1 good season before he is ready for the LFC job

Very impressive at the moment though, but lots of flavours of the month (albeit none as impressive as him IMO) have fallen by the wayside after one good season.

[Mattshark]

No but we are responsible for the pressure and expectations put on a team that have not won the league for 22 years, and yet most of us still go in to a season with the idea/expectation of us challenging for it.

I think we are expecting to much right now, and in that sense I think Phoenix is correct. We base our expectations on our history rather than on the present.

If we accepted the fact we are no longer a top team that can start a challenge overnight, then fewer would be calling for the managers head after a bit more than a year in charge.

I can't agree mate, the expectation of 4th was reasonable. The expectation is not the problem. The problem is the players and the manager not being up to the required quality, especially after being so well backed.

[slaine]

Adam shouldn't have started last night imo. Why change a winning formula.

Maybe we should just keep him as a kind of good luck mascot... Tie him to a pole, and parade him around the ground before the match to show the gods of fate that he isn't starting the match... Perhaps even let the kids down the front throw tomatoes at him or poke him with sticks... We'd be unbeatable then