Answers please

[tbounce]

Truthfully - with 5 European Cups and 18 League Championships, do we really care about the Carling Cup? It was a great day out and nice to go to Wembley (especially as I had never been before) but surely we should be aiming higher?

[Craig_H]

I love how you, like most of us, have no doubt been gagging for a trophy for the last 6 years, yet the League Cup is just mocked and dismissed. Can i ask your age, out of curiosity?

Refusing to give a manager more than one full season in charge is akin to being a plastic flag-waving cunt at Stamford Bridge.

[Muddled]

Plus past (in Dalglish's case long past) glories do not guarantee present or future success. Yes he's won things in the past as a manager but he hasn't won anything in over 15 years. (Carling Cup aside and that's the English equivalent of a Tuna chunks trophy in my book)

Brian Clough won the European Cup twice for Forest but eventually (many uears later) Forest had to sack him.

Benitez won us the European Cup, got to another final and won the FA Cup in addition to almost guaranteeing CL football. He finished 7th 1 season and was sacked.

Why should this logic nor apply to Dalglish? If he was a great manager in the past (and I don't think he was but accept I'm in the minority on that one) then it's in the past. We should look to the future now in my opinion.

You do realise that the 'logic' you've posted, the two examples were several years in to their tenure, not 18 months?

And he's won one competition (hopefully - two) of the three we have entered, regardless of what *hilarious* name you come up with.

[Craig_H]

Truthfully - with 5 European Cups and 18 League Championships, do we really care about the Carling Cup? It was a great day out and nice to go to Wembley (especially as I had never been before) but surely we should be aiming higher?

Yeah, if we dont go from 7th to 1st in one year, Kenny should be sacked.

Do you think everything just happens in the space of a season? ****ing hell.

Sky has a lot to answer for.

[Craig_H]

If he was a great manager in the past (and I don't think he was

What do you mean 'if' ??

You must be about 15 years old, surely.

[Mattshark]

Yeah, if we dont go from 7th to 1st in one year, Kenny should be sacked.

Do you think everything just happens in the space of a season? ****ing hell.

Sky has a lot to answer for.

A bit hyperbolic there Craig.

The problem is imo, is that we haven't got anything to build upon over this last year, it is pretty much a case of starting over again from a squad that should have been improved on last summer

We also finished 6th last season and put up more of a fight for a CL place than this season. It is questionable whether we'll match last seasons points total, we need to win every remaining game to beat it.

We also now can't match our points total from Rafa's last season.

[Fredo]

We've got a lot of plastic waving cunts as fans I'm afraid.

[tbounce]

I agree constantly changing the manager is far from ideal, and I'm not advocating getting rid of Dalglish from the club. He's done too much for the club to be treated shabily. However I do think he has made a lot of mistakes, particularly in the transfer market.

Obviously I've no idea how much will be available in the summer but it occurs to me that FSG will be very reluctant to give Dalglish any money as they fear he will waste it. Thus starts the vicious circle. No money - can't attract decent players - skip further down the league - less money etc

[Craig_H]

I agree constantly changing the manager is far from ideal, and I'm not advocating getting rid of Dalglish from the club. He's done too much for the club to be treated shabily. However I do think he has made a lot of mistakes, particularly in the transfer market.

Obviously I've no idea how much will be available in the summer but it occurs to me that FSG will be very reluctant to give Dalglish any money as they fear he will waste it. Thus starts the vicious circle. No money - can't attract decent players - skip further down the league - less money etc

Well you are really. You mention Benitez and Clough being sacked and ask why Kenny should also be.

[CJ]

One reason why Liverpool never used to change managers very often was we tended to have the right man in charge

[Fredo]

One reason why Liverpool never used to change managers very often was we tended to have the right man in charge

If we win 2 cups then that's an excellent return for a first season in charge. I think it's too soon to know he's the right man long term but he needs at least one more season.

[tbounce]

You can certainly enquire as to my age - I'm 31 years old. I take your point about a trophy and I also accept that saying "only the Carling Cup" is arrogant as a football fan but I'll try and explain my rationale.

Firstly teams (Premier League teams in general anyway) play very much weakenenrd sides in the Carling Cup.

Secondly look at our run

Exeter
Brighton
Stoke
Chelsea
City
Cardiff

3 lower league sides, one of who we failed to defeat on live play.

Stoke and Chelsea were away from home which was an achievement to win at those places - don't deny that. I would say though both teams had European commitments and rested some of their best players.

Winning at City was fantastic - I agree and said so at the time. I also thought we played very well at home, though we didn't win. Had it been a league game Aguero would have played and Savic wouldn't be nevertheless I concede a great result and if winning it is worth anything at all it's down to the City games in my view.

I know I'm in a minority of one and won't labour the point. My last point on this topic will finish on this. When we lost 6 3 at home by Arsenal in the Carling Cup Benitez's response was "I wasn't brought here to win the Carling Cup" I think he was right.

[red g]

If we win 2 cups then that's an excellent return for a first season in charge. I think it's too soon to know he's the right man long term but he needs at least one more season.

2 cup runs and a mid table finish is only an excellent return if your a fan of the likes of Villa, Everton etc.

Where we finish in the league is a true barometer to how good we are......

[Mattshark]

If we win 2 cups then that's an excellent return for a first season in charge. I think it's too soon to know he's the right man long term but he needs at least one more season.

I think if we had shown progress in the league, then yes, but the problem is we have regressed and Kenny hasn't brought in players that we can build around and that too me is a major problem. Either way we are back at square one.

[CJ]

2 cup runs and a mid table finish is only an excellent return if your a fan of the likes of Villa, Everton etc.

Where we finish in the league is a true barometer to how good we are......