FA Cup Final Post Match

[Bender]

I don't think it's an attitude issue. We played Chelsea off the park for 30 minutes.

It wouldn't change if we had a new manager. He would be expected to win straight away but would it be realistic though? Each period of change means transition. Let's get through the transition with Kenny, then bring someone in for the long term after he's done with that. If we can't trust Kenny, then we're desperate IMO.

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[Kenneth]

I'll give you constructive: clubs which change managers every year or 18 months are very very very rarely successful.

Show me someone who advocates changing manager every 18months.

[Craig_H]

Show me someone who advocates changing manager every 18months.

If we replace Kenny, we'll have had 4 managers in 3 years.

[Exiled_red]

Oh seriously, do one. Henderson and Spearing are both young and learning their trade. It was our entire DM pairing and Chelsea played through it.

We were very inexperienced in what was probably the key area of the pitch. Centre mid and centre back are the two positions you need experienced heads in situations like that.

[Bender]

If we replace Kenny, we'll have had 4 managers in 3 years.

it will be 5 in 4 if things don't improve drasctically

[Craig_H]

Do you not see a correlation between continuity and success?

[Kenneth]

If we replace Kenny, we'll have had 4 managers in 3 years.

whilst true, it doesn't really address the question.

And seeing as you wanted both Hodgson and Rafa gone, I assume its just Kenny that would push things too far.

[Daniel 7]

"Wanted: A Manager With a Winning Mentality"

[Kenneth]

Do you not see a correlation between continuity and success?

with the right manager, yes. With the wrong one, quite the opposite. Still boils down to getting who think is the right manager in place imo.

[Bender]

Do you not see a correlation between continuity and success?

of course which is why i have said kenny next season but he and the team and any players signed have to gel from the start ....... take away the cup finals and the tired old excuse about hitting the woodwork we have been close to relegation fodder.....why is that ? players not good enough? needing time to settle shouldn't do .......not listening or having respect for the manager ? next season could well be the most defining for our club and wether we get back to the top 4 or become the new aston villa

[little dave hedgehog]

I'll give you constructive: clubs which change managers every year or 18 months are very very very rarely successful.

but, bar a club like chelsea who seem to have a fixation, i think you could argue that such clubs have a problem with their hiring process, and just bring in any old new guy when they need a bounce to avoid relegation. as for us, since rafa we've had roy and kenny--arguably neither of whom were the right man for the club. nobody wants to keep changing managers, but in order for that to happen you have to hire the right guy first. if we wind up changing managers, and we have every reason to think it might be a good idea, then the concern would be that we change the way we've been hiring and get someone in who can actually stop the rot.

[Craig_H]

with the right manager, yes. With the wrong one, quite the opposite. Still boils down to getting who think is the right manager in place imo.

Concluding that the manager is the 'wrong' manager after just one full season, is incredibly short-termist, foolhardy and Chelsea-like. Even more so when he's delivered a trophy.

[Exiled_red]

I think we're on course for a not too dissimilar amount of points to what we got in both Rafa and Houllier's first seasons, the difference is the league is stronger and it means the same number of points will see you finish lower down the league.

Like it or not we were probably in a worse position when Kenny came in than when either of those two came in, but IMO we are playing better football than we did in both of those seasons. The difference is our expectations have increased because under Rafa we were in the CL every season. We are in a period of transition, I don't think if we sack Kenny things will suddenly turn around. The only concerns I have are that the form has suddenly dropped so much in the second half of the season and the fact we don't have a settled system yet.

[Craig_H]

of course which is why i have said kenny next season but he and the team and any players signed have to gel from the start ....... take away the cup finals and the tired old excuse about hitting the woodwork we have been close to relegation fodder.....why is that ? players not good enough? needing time to settle shouldn't do .......not listening or having respect for the manager ? next season could well be the most defining for our club and wether we get back to the top 4 or become the new aston villa

I keep seeing people saying "take away the...." and i dont get it. Cherry-picking the bits you want to use and ignoring others smacks of agenda-driven viewpoints.

How much credence would it have if i said "take away the league campaign, and we've done brilliantly" ? None.

You count it all, not just the bits which suit.

[Bender]

in todays football there's a new menu owners want to order from
prem champions
champions league
champions league qualification every season
fa cup