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    Originally posted by baitman View Post
    we have squad depth, but certain key players are above rotation, they are key to our spine strength.

    our key players; becker, vvd, no stand out midfielders, salah.
    Think Keita could become our standout midfielder.
    Another MASSIVE game

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      Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
      Another couple of seasons and Gomez will make any defender playing alongside him look good.

      Keita will become indispensable as will TAA. Robertson makes our left side tick too.
      maybe by the end of the season gomez will be confident enough to not be wobbled having to play alongside someone other than the colossus.
      hopefully keita will settle and him and fabinho will go on to become solid as our first choice midfield anchors.
      taa and robbo are excellent and almost irreplaceable.
      removing all the weak links makes us stronger

      too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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        Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
        Another couple of seasons and Gomez will make any defender playing alongside him look good.

        Keita will become indispensable as will TAA. Robertson makes our left side tick too.
        Robertson is by far our best left back.

        Alisson, VVD, Robertson, Keita, Salah and Mane - probably our most important players.
        Another MASSIVE game

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          No mention of bobby yet when he doesn’t play or is off form our whole attacking rhythm goes to ****.
          It's easy to distract fat people. It's a piece of cake.

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            So our key players are Alisson, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Keita, Salah, Firmino and Mane......., that's practically the whole team
            * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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              And we're ****ed if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely

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                Originally posted by Norbs View Post
                And we're ****ed if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely
                we will obviously rotate, but my worry is how much this will compromise our ability to put out a full strength side...
                some games we might win four or five nil, but i wonder if we had fielded a weaker team would the opposition be better able to come at us and maybe force a draw?
                we might be better placed to make earlier substitutions [unlike klopp] at maybe 60 minutes to give other players some real game time provided we have already stamped on them a bit.

                i just dont want us to chuck points away needlessly just so we can give moreno some game time
                removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                  Originally posted by Norbs View Post
                  And we're ****ed if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely
                  Would you drive a car if you took one of the major components away?
                  Was muß, das muß.

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                    I think the original question was about who we would miss, who's absence would most affect our ability to play our way or perform to the standard required. Not who is best.

                    In that respect the drop off in quality with Becker and VVD is huge and we have no real coping mechanism in the squad at all. So they would be 'key' in this context.

                    Slightly lesser IMO is Firminho, if it was just him out, we'd notice it, but be ok with our other 2 and Shaq/Studge/Origi. As said, we'd probably put Salah up front, Mane Right and one of the others LW

                    Robertson is streets ahead of Moreno, but Milner can do a decent enough job there. TAA to Clynne isn't a big drop at all.
                    Centre Mids, we can cope well enough without any 1 of them.

                    Salah is obviously one of the best players in the world, so any team would miss him, but we have enough wingers in our squad not to ruin our way of playing.

                    TLDR: VVD and Becker
                    "that is my opinion and that is more important than what anyone else has to say about it" - Mr A.Fergusson, Oct 2011

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                      Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                      Would you drive a car if you took one of the major components away?
                      You do realise if one of our best players is injured we can put someone else in the team instead, right

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                        Originally posted by BillobShaisley View Post
                        I think the original question was about who we would miss, who's absence would most affect our ability to play our way or perform to the standard required. Not who is best.

                        In that respect the drop off in quality with Becker and VVD is huge and we have no real coping mechanism in the squad at all. So they would be 'key' in this context.

                        Slightly lesser IMO is Firminho, if it was just him out, we'd notice it, but be ok with our other 2 and Shaq/Studge/Origi. As said, we'd probably put Salah up front, Mane Right and one of the others LW

                        Robertson is streets ahead of Moreno, but Milner can do a decent enough job there. TAA to Clynne isn't a big drop at all.
                        Centre Mids, we can cope well enough without any 1 of them.

                        Salah is obviously one of the best players in the world, so any team would miss him, but we have enough wingers in our squad not to ruin our way of playing.

                        TLDR: VVD and Becker

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                          Originally posted by Norbs View Post
                          You do realise if one of our best players is injured we can put someone else in the team instead, right


                          Yes we have spare wheels and components on hand but they're not of the same quality as the original equipment.

                          **** this analogy.
                          Was muß, das muß.

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                            The side is being built to be fluid in terms of personnel, certainly the midfield which is good to see and even up top we can afford one of the three being out for a bit now.

                            Still a couple of players that if we had missing for a while would hurt - VVD being the main one and of course Mo but that’s not really much different from other sides, take Hazard and Kante out for Chelsea or Aguero and KDB (let’s see how they do without him for a while) for City or Kane and Eriksen at Spurs and De Gea of previous seasons for the Mancs.

                            We’re far more robust this season than we have been for players being out but as ever there’s going to be a couple of players that hurt that bit more if not available.

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                              Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                              Yes we have spare wheels and components on hand but they're not of the same quality as the original equipment.

                              **** this analogy.
                              You made it

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                                Liverpool throw-in coach Thomas Gronnemark 'has the weirdest job in football'
                                By Matt Davis

                                Throw-in coach Thomas Gronnemark working with Danish top-flight club FC Midtjylland
                                Thomas Gronnemark was perhaps the most surprising arrival at Liverpool this season after a summer of big spending on the likes of Alisson, Fabinho and Naby Keita.

                                Even manager Jurgen Klopp admitted he had never heard of a throw-in coach before employing the Dane.

                                The appointment of the 42-year-old, who also holds the world record for the longest throw-in at 51.33m, raised eyebrows and was mocked by TV pundit Andy Gray.

                                "I know it is totally the weirdest job in the world," Gronnemark, who thinks he is the world's first throw-in specialist, told BBC Sport.

                                Former Stoke midfielder Rory Delap may be the best known exponent of the long throw-in in the Premier League era, but Gronnemark says his brief at Anfield is "not to turn Liverpool into the second Stoke".

                                As he explains, there is more than meets the eye to the humble throw-in and it's a skill that when mastered can lead to goals and even "save the life" of a team.

                                "I saw Joe Gomez take some really good throws for Liverpool that I had not seen him do before, he was fizzing it in there," said former Arsenal striker Ian Wright on Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club.

                                "It looks like he [Gronnemark] has taught him something. You have to say Liverpool will benefit from that."

                                Klopp believes Gronnemark has "already made a difference" with his work at Melwood.

                                "To be honest, I'd never heard about a throw-in coach," said the German. "When I heard about Thomas, it was clear to me I wanted to meet him; when I met him, it was 100% cent clear I wanted to employ him."

                                Gronnemark, who has been working with teams since 2004, said Klopp contacted him as he was "curious" about his work and he says it is a "dream" job.

                                "If I was a defender I would not want to be on the end of one of Gomez's throw-ins," said Gronnemark.

                                "In general against Liverpool I would not want to put the ball out for a throw-in. I am not saying Liverpool will do a lot of long throw-ins, but you never know when they may do it."

                                Thomas Gronnemark is a former sprinter and a member of the Danish bobsleigh team
                                Gronnemark estimates there are 40-50 throw-ins in a game and in Saturday's 2-1 win against Leicester, Liverpool had 54 - their role and importance, he says, are "underestimated" unlike other set-pieces.

                                "If you are expecting professional footballers to be world-class throwers without coaching then you are pretty optimistic," he continues. "Generally the standard is quite poor.

                                "A focus on throw-ins can save the life of small clubs, as a technique to survive.

                                "But at the top of the league, it can help with a more fluent style of play. No matter what position in the league, throw-ins are an advantage."

                                Gronnemark teaches three types of throw-in - the long throw-in, the fast throw-in - which can launch counter-attacks - and the clever throw-in, which is about keeping possession under pressure.

                                "I focus on everything you can imagine," adds Gronnemark, a former international sprinter who was in the Danish athletics and bobsleigh teams. "It is not just the technique of the throw, but how to receive it, how to make the right runs, the positioning, creating space."

                                Aside from his freelance work with Liverpool, Gronnemark also coaches at Danish top-flights clubs FC Midtjylland and AC Horsens, and in the German Bundesliga.

                                Midtjylland, who won the Danish title last year, and Horsen scored 10 goals each last season from long throw-ins.

                                Danish left-back Andreas Poulsen, who joined Borussia Monchengladbach from Midtjylland, improved his long throw from 25m to 37.9m under Gronnemark's coaching.

                                Gronnemark says there are 25-30 technical aspects to a long throw and he uses video analysis to make improvements, which can see players improve their distance by four to eight metres on average and double the throwing area. Flexible, rather than strong players, are best at throw-ins and it is an essential skill for a full-back.

                                "If Liverpool score a goal or two from long throws that would be perfect for me," said Gronnemark." But even more so if it comes as a result of a fast throw or clever throw."

                                According to Opta, there have been just 20 goals scored from a "throw-in scenario" in the Premier League in the last five seasons and one scored so far in 2018-19.

                                Last season, Liverpool had just three shots from throw-ins, while Leicester City led the way with 14.

                                Goals from fast throws and clever throws are impossible to measure, but Gronnemark says these have a "greater impact" on the game and can make the game faster and more entertaining.

                                "If you have more possession, you have a greater chance of winning a game," says Gronnemark. "Sometimes set-pieces develop into set-pieces like corners and free-kicks and they help build pressure."

                                'I can make fun of myself'
                                "I'm sorry, a throw-in coach? Here's the ball, pick it up with both hands, take it behind your head and throw it with both feet on the ground," said former Scotland striker Gray in his criticism of Gronnemark's appointment.

                                Gronnemark says he didn't have a problem with Gray's comments, but felt the ex-Wolves player could have looked into what his job entailed.

                                "I know it is the weirdest job in the world," says Gronnemark, who has been fascinated by throw-ins since he was a child and has developed his own coaching course to fill the gap in the market.

                                "I am the world record holder and the world-leading expert, but I am not too big to make fun of myself."

                                He says some players he works with are "surprised" by his role and have a "bit of a laugh".

                                And what about THAT Iran throw-in?

                                Milad Mohammadi attempts forward roll throw
                                One request Gronnemark often gets is to replicate his world record throw achieved with a front flip in 2010, but he says he has eaten "too many cakes" to attempt it these days.

                                Iran defender Milad Mohammadi attempted a similar feat during the World Cup as they looked for a last-minute equaliser against Portugal - but failed.

                                "His run-up was too slow," said Gronnemark. "It was a funny situation, but he must have had some bottle to try to make a flip throw-in, but I know it is the hardest thing to do in football."



                                Oh I don't know.

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