Hillsborough

[Big-Red-Ed]

Very powerful speeches in parliament by both Theresa May and in particular Andy Burnham. Burnham has called for Orgrieve to be similarly investigated. Proper order.

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[baitman]

Very, very powerful stuff from BOTH Theresa May and Andy Burnham in the House today.

I was getting quite choked up listening to Andy Burnham. I think his time in politics will come eventually, but he is building a very good name.

He wants further investigation between policing links and transparency of events at Orgreave. He wants further action against the press through the second phase recommended by Leveson.

Both Theresa May and Andy Turnham spoke very emotionally and very passionately about the candour and dignity shown by the families. Hopefully their fight will bring about some real change.

A very good point about Orgreave.
Without devaluing the verdict and grief of Hillsborough its an opportunity to also dig dirt on these corrupt complicit *******s who just thought they could treat others like ****.
their time will come...

Andy Burnham does come across as very passionate and sensible.

[Buzzo]

Very, very powerful stuff from BOTH Theresa May and Andy Burnham in the House today.

I was getting quite choked up listening to Andy Burnham. I think his time in politics will come eventually, but he is building a very good name.

He wants further investigation between policing links and transparency of events at Orgreave. He wants further action against the press through the second phase recommended by Leveson.

Both Theresa May and Andy Burnham spoke very emotionally and very passionately about the candour and dignity shown by the families. Hopefully their fight will bring about some real change.

[Lecter]

Phil Scraton too, it's likely we'd never have had this inquest if he hadn't uncovered those amended police statements.

With regard to The Sun and The Times I think it's a calculated gamble on their part and one that's likely to pay off. Someone who has no interest in yesterday's inquest going into a newsagent today sees a wall of Hillsborough related headlines will choose The Sun or The Times. That's the mentality of many British people, I think they'll have a bumper day today. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I have no love for the **** Rag but its a damned if they do, damned if they dont scenario

Either way they would have come in for flak and rightly so for that ****ty "The Truth" headline, no matter what they do the people of Liverpool wont forgive or forget

The Times not having anything on their front page is an own goal though imo

[Fernandinho]

That's is very true mate.

It still makes me so angry to think there are people like them in the world. So selfish and heartless to pin the blame of all those lives on others for so many years. I wish those involved were younger so they could spend more time behind bars once they are prosecuted. I don't often wish this, but I hope they rot in jail for the rest of their lives.

[frank the tank]

This is still so heartbreaking. I can't imagine the suffering of the families involved in what can only be described as a living nightmare

I am so proud of those in the foundation who fought for 27 years to prove the innocence of our fans and to prove that these absolute scumbags from the South Yorkshire police force are held accountable for their actions.

Nothing will ever change what happened, and the heartbreak will live with their families forever, but at least justice is now being served.

Justice won't be served until there is accountability. The fans that died that day, that survived that day (it is sometimes easy to forget that there were over 700 people injured that day) and that were also just there but not caught in the crush have now been fully exonerated. That was the big win of yesterday.

But they were tarred as scumbags, painted as people who killed their own fans. The police, the government at a few different levels, certain parts of the media that were basically used as a governmental propaganda toolpiece all made out that Liverpool fans, and people from Liverpool in general were scumbags. It is a stigma that has been allowed to stick for a generation. (sidenote - the fact that Everton fans sang the "always the victims" song a week ago at Anfield was a big kick as well to be honest)

So for me, and I suspect for many of the families, there won't be justice until all of those who ****ed up on the day are done for negligence and all of those who were complicit in the cover up are done for perverting the course of justice.

And even now, after a jury sat for over 2 years hearing all of that evidence, and have basically said that the fans played no part and that the police ****ed up, I would still be very surprised if anyone ever served a day in prison over this.

For the South Yorkshire Police to come out with some crappy PR statement about fully accepting the findings was also pretty despicable. 27 years on and after a 2 year inquiry they come out with an acceptance.

The likes of Duckenfield and Bettison who still peddled the notion that fans were at fault after all the pain over all that time should rot in hell. They ****in knew full well. What is espeically gauling is that they are sitting on nice police pensions and would have got expenses for appearing at the enquiry.......the whole thing still makes me angry to be honest.

[Fernandinho]

This is still so heartbreaking. I can't imagine the suffering of the families involved in what can only be described as a living nightmare

I am so proud of those in the foundation who fought for 27 years to prove the innocence of our fans and to prove that these absolute scumbags from the South Yorkshire police force are held accountable for their actions.

Nothing will ever change what happened, and the heartbreak will live with their families forever, but at least justice is now being served.

[dom9]

yes, particularly when there's a specific story dominating the news.

Interesting.

I'd be more inclined to think that it would based on combination of brand loyalty and political persuasion.

[TheElephantMan]

The mentality of most British people is to choose which newspaper they buy because of the headline on the front page?

yes, particularly when there's a specific story dominating the news.

[redmike65]

The Times 2nd edition has Hillsborough on the front.

[dom9]

Phil Scraton too, it's likely we'd never have had this inquest if he hadn't uncovered those amended police statements.

With regard to The Sun and The Times I think it's a calculated gamble on their part and one that's likely to pay off. Someone who has no interest in yesterday's inquest going into a newsagent today sees a wall of Hillsborough related headlines will choose The Sun or The Times. That's the mentality of many British people, I think they'll have a bumper day today. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

The mentality of most British people is to choose which newspaper they buy because of the headline on the front page?

[TheElephantMan]

Phil Scraton too, it's likely we'd never have had this inquest if he hadn't uncovered those amended police statements.

With regard to The Sun and The Times I think it's a calculated gamble on their part and one that's likely to pay off. Someone who has no interest in yesterday's inquest going into a newsagent today sees a wall of Hillsborough related headlines will choose The Sun or The Times. That's the mentality of many British people, I think they'll have a bumper day today. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

[Liverpool]

terribly sad for her, also a massive shout at for relatively unknown hero Elkan Abrahamson her solicitor for over 20 years and over 20 families in the end, done huge work for the cause

[Leyton388]

The REAL Iron Lady is smiling down upon us today.

RIP Anne.

[TheElephantMan]

What does he expect really?