Philippe Coutinho

[dizzycat]

We really need to hold on to our best players, Countinho is a match winner on his day and players like him are hard to come by.

[RedReet]

In the last 2 seasons Coutinho has played in 61 out of 76 PL games.
We've finished 6th and 8th.
Every season he shows glimpses of genius, he's a very talented footballer but hasn't (as yet) produced when it really matters.
Anonymous in both finals we played, yes I know he scored v Man City but that was practically his only touch of note.

He's hardly irreplaceable.
Personally I'd like to keep him to see if Klopp can transform him into someone who is consistent but if he wants out then it's no big loss.

What we'll have next season is a team that functions greater than the sum of the individuals within it.
If Coutinho can be part of that great, if not then take the money.

I'm confused, you had me convinced that it was Skrtel's fault that we finished where we did in the league, although now you are implying it's Coutinho's and are inexplicably ignoring his first 18 months here when I would hazard a guess that our points tally over that period would have us top of the league (2nd at least.) Hmmmmm.

Ahh well, at least it explains why we never won the PL title with Gerrard here. Obviously it was him and if we'd only had the sense to sell him we'd be coming down with PL trophies.

''Anonymous in both finals.'' Well that settles it then. He only scored a goal in one of them, scored in the semi's against Dortmund and against United, scored in the FA cup semi, scored against all our main rivals including a crucial goal against City which should have propelled us to the title in 13/14. But why does that matter because the useless **** didn't score against Seville, so he's a bottler and no use in a big game.

Damn it, I hope I'm not accused of twisting statistics to suit my argument. I wish I had the ability to ignore all that crap, ignore those first 18 months when we were successful(ish) and just concentrate on those last few games of the season when we treated the league like pre-season and Coutinho single handedly handed Seville the EL.

[vlahka]

I'd like to think that he's been inconsistent because our tactics have been too. A strong preseason and the Klopp effect in full swing will see more consistency from our top players.

Completely agree. Plus if we had some other players on the field with some intelligence and trickery, and who actually got into positions to accept the ball, the other team wouldnt always be swarming coutinho and forcing him into errors.

[G]

RedReet Big Phil stick your dirty Qatari money PSG.

[Camble]

I'm too in the camp that if we were offered a good amount I wouldn't say no. It'd be sad to see him go but providing we got a good amount not the end of the world.

He's too inconsistent and not defensively minded enough for us under Klopp IMO.

[Fierce]

I'm confused, you had me convinced that it was Skrtel's fault that we finished where we did in the league, although now you are implying it's Coutinho's and are inexplicably ignoring his first 18 months here when I would hazard a guess that our points tally over that period would have us top of the league (2nd at least.) Hmmmmm.

Ahh well, at least it explains why we never won the PL title with Gerrard here. Obviously it was him and if we'd only had the sense to sell him we'd be coming down with PL trophies.

''Anonymous in both finals.'' Well that settles it then. He only scored a goal in one of them, scored in the semi's against Dortmund and against United, scored in the FA cup semi, scored against all our main rivals including a crucial goal against City which should have propelled us to the title in 13/14. But why does that matter because the useless **** didn't score against Seville, so he's a bottler and no use in a big game.

Damn it, I hope I'm not accused of twisting statistics to suit my argument. I wish I had the ability to ignore all that crap, ignore those first 18 months when we were successful(ish) and just concentrate on those last few games of the season when we treated the league like pre-season and Coutinho single handedly handed Seville the EL.

Boom!

[The Birdman]

I'm confused, you had me convinced that it was Skrtel's fault that we finished where we did in the league, although now you are implying it's Coutinho's and are inexplicably ignoring his first 18 months here when I would hazard a guess that our points tally over that period would have us top of the league (2nd at least.) Hmmmmm.

Ahh well, at least it explains why we never won the PL title with Gerrard here. Obviously it was him and if we'd only had the sense to sell him we'd be coming down with PL trophies.

''Anonymous in both finals.'' Well that settles it then. He only scored a goal in one of them, scored in the semi's against Dortmund and against United, scored in the FA cup semi, scored against all our main rivals including a crucial goal against City which should have propelled us to the title in 13/14. But why does that matter because the useless **** didn't score against Seville, so he's a bottler and no use in a big game.

Damn it, I hope I'm not accused of twisting statistics to suit my argument. I wish I had the ability to ignore all that crap, ignore those first 18 months when we were successful(ish) and just concentrate on those last few games of the season when we treated the league like pre-season and Coutinho single handedly handed Seville the EL.

My point is simple, for as long as we continue to finish regularly between 5th and 8th none of our players are as good as some on here think they are.
None are irreplaceable.
None of them, I've got my personal ones I'd want us to keep but honestly we haven't been good enough for 20 plus years now, whatever it takes to get us back there consistently I'll get behind it.

I said I'd like to keep Coutinho, I just pointed out that in the last 2 season's he's played in 80% of our league games and we finished 6th and 8th.
Is that 100% his fault - no, of course not.
Is he 100% absolved from any blame whatsoever - no, of course not.

They are the facts. To me that means none of them should be safe.

I wasn't wrong about Skrtel either.
And if we're counting I wasn't wrong about Flanagan or Rossiter's wage demands with the 'scouse card' nor was I wrong about us being interested in signing Ben Chillwell.

In fact, the one that I did get massively wrong was I once described Christian Poulson as 'alright'
I'd like to apologise for that.

Reply to who you choose to, listen and agree to whom you chose too.
Some are far more qualified to comment than others

[The Birdman]

Boom!

Shake, shake the room?

[The_weatherman]

In fact, the one that I did get massively wrong was I once described Christian Poulson as 'alright'
I'd like to apologise for that.

Well you can just **** off for that!

[RedReet]

My point is simple, for as long as we continue to finish regularly between 5th and 8th none of our players are as good as some on here think they are.
None are irreplaceable.
None of them, I've got my personal ones I'd want us to keep but honestly we haven't been good enough for 20 plus years now, whatever it takes to get us back there consistently I'll get behind it.

I said I'd like to keep Coutinho, I just pointed out that in the last 2 season's he's played in 80% of our league games and we finished 6th and 8th.
Is that 100% his fault - no, of course not.
Is he 100% absolved from any blame whatsoever - no, of course not.

They are the facts. To me that means none of them should be safe.

I wasn't wrong about Skrtel either.
And if we're counting I wasn't wrong about Flanagan or Rossiter's wage demands with the 'scouse card' nor was I wrong about us being interested in signing Ben Chillwell.

In fact, the one that I did get massively wrong was I once described Christian Poulson as 'alright'
I'd like to apologise for that.

Reply to who you choose to, listen and agree to whom you chose too.
Some are far more qualified to comment than others

But why ignore when we finished 2nd? And using that logic, we finished 7th in Suarez' first full season, so technically he wasn't good enough. You don't improve by selling your best players, you improve by selling the crap players that held the good ones back.

As for Skrtel, it's not the point of how good or how bad he is, he wasn't the main reason we had so many poor finishes in the league, although admittedly he was more of a factor than Coutinho has been.

As for the rest, not sure what that's got to do with anything.

[Fierce]

Some are far more qualified to comment than others

[G]

We can sell him for loads of money but just like Suarez and Sterling we have no reason to believe we'll invest it very well so who cares how much money we get, I'd rather have the player I know can do the business. We have Klopp now of course but this is his first window so it remains to be seen how well he spends our money.

[RedReet]

We can sell him for loads of money but just like Suarez and Sterling we have no reason to believe we'll invest it very well so who cares how much money we get, I'd rather have the player I know can do the business. We have Klopp now of course but this is his first window so it remains to be seen how well he spends our money.

So are you saying Suarez for Balotelli, Torres for Carroll, Sterling for Markovic, Alonso for Aquilani, Masch for Poulsen wasn't good business?


Off topic, but according to LFC History.net, Collymore is still in our top 15 most expensive transfers out. Surely that can't be right?

[G]

So are you saying Suarez for Balotelli, Torres for Carroll, Sterling for Markovic, Alonso for Aquilani, Masch for Poulsen wasn't good business?


Off topic, but according to LFC History.net, Collymore is still in our top 15 most expensive transfers out. Surely that can't be right?

I'm going out on a limb here but, yes

We are pretty awful in the transfer market when selling our best players. And we don't seem to buy any of them anymore either!

[Doc_Piptorious]

So are you saying Suarez for Balotelli, Torres for Carroll, Sterling for Markovic, Alonso for Aquilani, Masch for Poulsen wasn't good business?


Off topic, but according to LFC History.net, Collymore is still in our top 15 most expensive transfers out. Surely that can't be right?

When I read your post I thought that must be out of date and I started listing payers in my head that went for more than Collymore, but everyone I thought of was on the list along with a few forgot about.

Mad stat given he has been on that list since 1997.



Edit: Just looked at the list of our top 15 record buys and it is scary when you look at the list and decide how many you think were cracking buys. For me 3 of the 15 listed were surefire hits, one was a decent servant before turning a bit ****, and the rest are either flops or the jury is still out on them.