Simon Mignolet

[BigChief]

Dunno we seem to offer contracts to players just to keep their value up

And never get any money/profit/use from them anyway.

[Bender]

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[frank the tank]

that coming from a guy who left goals in for money is a bit rich.

[Keyser Soze]

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Simon Mignolet: No player has made more errors that have led directly to a goal in the last 3 PL seasons than Mignolet (8)

Its time to **** this mother****ing Poirot off

[BigChief]

Mignolet might be the player that tells us if Klopp is his own man and can make the right decisions...or he's another Rodgers.

:/praypraypray: for the former.

[Chris]

You take his distribution faults when he's doing other stuff well but he's not doing anything well at the moment. Get out!!

[BigChief]

He's known to be a good shot stopper and I'll grant him that. But there are loads of good shotstoppers. Elliot had a storming shot stopping session against Spurs for example.

A goalie is the full package. Distribution, kicking cleanly and to distance, command of the area, shot stopping. 1 out of 4 is no good, in fact its a sackable offence in any other job.

From what little I've seen of Bogdan his kicking to distance and command of the area is very good. Not seen enough of the other two features but he's already ahead of Mignolet with 2 out of 4.

[Maxiedge]

bottom line, we won't ever be solid until he's replaced

[CJ]

It's time klopp got the horn

[peekay]

He's known to be a good shot stopper and I'll grant him that. But there are loads of good shotstoppers. Elliot had a storming shot stopping session against Spurs for example.

A goalie is the full package. Distribution, kicking cleanly and to distance, command of the area, shot stopping. 1 out of 4 is no good, in fact its a sackable offence in any other job.

From what little I've seen of Bogdan his kicking to distance and command of the area is very good. Not seen enough of the other two features but he's already ahead of Mignolet with 2 out of 4.

Dont mind a keeper who is poor at distribution and kicking if he is outstanding in command of the area and shot stopping. As you pointed out, even in the shot stopping quality, he is pretty good, not what I would call outstanding.

[Slinky Skills]

He's awful, never had such lack of confidence in a keeper in my life he really is wank.

[Hemingway]

So, in the past two PL games we’ve allowed three shots on target and conceded four goals. But at least Mignolet’s a great shot-stopper, with that 0% save percentage.

I guess that’s harsh, given the purposefully-small sample. But on the season as a whole he’s got a 59% save percentage, a full 10% behind the PL average of 69% and joint-bottom in the league among regular starters. We're bottom of the league in saves made and second-bottom of the league in save percentage. Given all this, it's fair to say that Mignolet's shot-stopping is the worst in the league right now, or at least among the worst two or three.

And that’s the thing he’s good at.

I guess you could argue that he actually is a good shot-stopper, but he's just not showing it because we hardly allow any shots (third-best in the PL) and hardly allow any shots on target (fewest shots on target allowed in the league, if you can believe that), so it gets skewed by a small sample size. But that’s exactly my point: shot-stopping is overrated in a goalkeeper due to its randomness, especially if you've got a really good defence (because then he's rarely tested). Which, contrary to conventional wisdom, we do. So the only thing Mignolet's (supposedly) good at is the one thing he rarely does, with a small enough sample size that it gets completely washed by noise anyway. What good is it having a world-class shot stopper if, through half a season, he gives you the same production you could expect from literally the worst shot-stopper in the league?

Note, by the way, that there's a flipside to this: given the random nature of shot-stopping, if Mig keeps getting picked he'll go on a tear at some point. He'll have a few stormers, save a few worldies, and everyone's going to say he's back to his best and a really good shot-stopper and we should keep him. No. We shouldn't. Because that's unsustainable and before long you end up back here, with an average, flapping keeper with below-average distribution and one skill at the thing he's least asked to do, which is also heavily random and therefore nearly useless.

Klopp seems determined to salvage whatever he can from the current squad, bless him, and maybe he'll keep waiting it out with Mignolet to see if he can't squeeze some form out of him, because despite how **** I think he is, he's not this bad and that storming form is coming, unless he gets too far inside his own head again. But sooner or later he has to be replaced. For all the hand-wringing about Benteke and the midfield, Mignolet is by far the weakest link of the squad.

Timo Horn's got a £6.5m release clause. Just do it and be done with the whole thing.

[Fivex]

Hard to argue Hem

[baitman]

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i questioned the coaching of achterberg a while back. all that experience at tranmere rovers

we not only need to get another number one goalie in, we also need to make sure this chancer doesnt poison him with his ****e coaching.

[G]

So, in the past two PL games we’ve allowed three shots on target and conceded four goals. But at least Mignolet’s a great shot-stopper, with that 0% save percentage.

I guess that’s harsh, given the purposefully-small sample. But on the season as a whole he’s got a 59% save percentage, a full 10% behind the PL average of 69% and joint-bottom in the league among regular starters. We're bottom of the league in saves made and second-bottom of the league in save percentage. Given all this, it's fair to say that Mignolet's shot-stopping is the worst in the league right now, or at least among the worst two or three.

And that’s the thing he’s good at.

I guess you could argue that he actually is a good shot-stopper, but he's just not showing it because we hardly allow any shots (third-best in the PL) and hardly allow any shots on target (fewest shots on target allowed in the league, if you can believe that), so it gets skewed by a small sample size. But that’s exactly my point: shot-stopping is overrated in a goalkeeper due to its randomness, especially if you've got a really good defence (because then he's rarely tested). Which, contrary to conventional wisdom, we do. So the only thing Mignolet's (supposedly) good at is the one thing he rarely does, with a small enough sample size that it gets completely washed by noise anyway. What good is it having a world-class shot stopper if, through half a season, he gives you the same production you could expect from literally the worst shot-stopper in the league?

Note, by the way, that there's a flipside to this: given the random nature of shot-stopping, if Mig keeps getting picked he'll go on a tear at some point. He'll have a few stormers, save a few worldies, and everyone's going to say he's back to his best and a really good shot-stopper and we should keep him. No. We shouldn't. Because that's unsustainable and before long you end up back here, with an average, flapping keeper with below-average distribution and one skill at the thing he's least asked to do, which is also heavily random and therefore nearly useless.

Klopp seems determined to salvage whatever he can from the current squad, bless him, and maybe he'll keep waiting it out with Mignolet to see if he can't squeeze some form out of him, because despite how **** I think he is, he's not this bad and that storming form is coming, unless he gets too far inside his own head again. But sooner or later he has to be replaced. For all the hand-wringing about Benteke and the midfield, Mignolet is by far the weakest link of the squad.

Timo Horn's got a £6.5m release clause. Just do it and be done with the whole thing.

i questioned the coaching of achterberg a while back. all that experience at tranmere rovers

we not only need to get another number one goalie in, we also need to make sure this chancer doesnt poison him with his ****e coaching.