Evaluating Rodgers' 'Project'

[Imy]

That's it though! Someone made a comment that the best Bundesliga teams will make it into the champions league each year as the format of the league allows that. It gets them in but they still need to perform while there. 3 of the last 4 champions league finalists have been from the Bundesliga. Arguably the best team in the world from the last 10 years is made up by 50% of players who have come through its youth ranks and even the Mancs can regularly offer the likes of Wellbeck, Evans, Cleverley etc starts as well as other younger types like Rafael etc. The model doesn't need to be ripped up. Just hybrided a bit and certainly not to the hysterical level that some think, no?

1) I don't really think we can site moneybags Bayern as a shining beacon of prudent spending and youth development

2) Much easier to incorporate youth in to a winning team (as history has shown)

[TheElephantMan]

Can't Arn take credit for this thread?!

[dww]

Can't Arn take credit for this thread?!

I think in most people's heads he has all the credit he needs.

[~LFCHistory~]

The Mancs and Barcelona still spent big on certain players. They have many very expensive players sitting on the bench.

We shouldn't look at Dortmund as an example as FSG and Rodgers mentioned as we should do. We should look at how it works in the PL. What you need to do in the PL.

The Bundesliga is the Bundesliga and the PL the PL.

Different leagues with totally different rules when it comes down to ownership etc.

I can understand why Suarez for example want to leave. How big chance do we have to qualify for the CL in the near future if we don't strenghten the starting XI a lot? He can't be that impressed by our signings so far.

We are Liverpool FC and not Swansea or Norwich.

Liverpool FC exist to win trophies.

We also made a mistake last summer when we signed up Rodgers that needed a learning year. We are paying for that decision now. Wrong time to sign up a manager that needed a learning year. If we had played in the CL then it may have been the right decision but not for a club that needed to improve straight away.

FSG do make some very big mistakes. Rafa did a few big mistakes.

I don't think FSG have got that many big decisions right so far.

FSG/Rodgers/Ayre out.

Rafa/Ancelotti/Sugar Daddy owners in.

That's every single football related Arn post since he returned in a nutshell.

[dww]

That's it though! Someone made a comment that the best Bundesliga teams will make it into the champions league each year as the format of the league allows that. It gets them in but they still need to perform while there. 3 of the last 4 champions league finalists have been from the Bundesliga. Arguably the best team in the world from the last 10 years is made up by 50% of players who have come through its youth ranks and even the Mancs can regularly offer the likes of Wellbeck, Evans, Cleverley etc starts as well as other younger types like Rafael etc. The model doesn't need to be ripped up. Just hybrided a bit and certainly not to the hysterical level that some think, no?

I tend to agree. Although I do think that at the minute the number of decent teams makes it harder in the PL as you probably need two of 5 teams to have a bad season for an improving team (like ourselves) to get into the CL.

In general I just want us to reach the foothills - being a competitive and entertaining side which is fun to support. Recent seasons all of those things have been a struggle.

[Arn]

FSG/Rodgers/Ayre out.

Rafa/Ancelotti/Sugar Daddy owners in.

That's every single football related Arn post since he returned in a nutshell.

I don't want FSG out. I don't want Rodgers out. I don't want Ayre out.

What I want/wanted and you can take this a fact.

I don't want FSG out. I don't think their project will work out but that isn't the same as wanting them out.

I don't want Ayre out. I want him to stay and take care of our sponsorship deals etc. I want us to get someone in that is an expert in the transfer market and have many years of experience dealing with players, clubs and agents. Someone that is very respected out there in the transfer market world.

I think that it was the wrong decision to sign up a manager that needed a learning year last summer. We needed a manager that could improve us straight away.

I want Rodgers to stay. No point starting all over again. Last summer was last summer and now is now. He need time to show if he is the right long term solution or not. Short term he clearly wasn't the right choice.

This post will be forgotten just like the many others I have made stating the same things so I again will need to clarify my points answering to lies like the post I quoted.

[Arn]

A big reason to why I need to repeat myself so often is the many lies that get posted about my opinions.

I will always defend myself. LFCHistory imagined up a lie about my opinions so I had to again post my opionions to defend myself.

He isn't the only one that imagine things up or twist my opinions to suit them.

I have posted many times what I want but the lies keep on coming. The posts I make stating what I want is simply "forgotten".

Stop lying and I will stop repeating myself.

If you still keep on lying or twisting my posts then don't blame me if I again repeat myself stating what I really want.

[el matador]

I don't want FSG out. I don't want Rodgers out. I don't want Ayre out.

What I want/wanted and you can take this a fact.

I don't want FSG out. I don't think their project will work out but that isn't the same as wanting them out.

I don't want Ayre out. I want him to stay and take care of our sponsorship deals etc. I want us to get someone in that is an expert in the transfer market and have many years of experience dealing with players, clubs and agents. Someone that is very respected out there in the transfer market world.

I think that it was the wrong decision to sign up a manager that needed a learning year last summer. We needed a manager that could improve us straight away.

I want Rodgers to stay. No point starting all over again. Last summer was last summer and now is now. He need time to show if he is the right long term solution or not. Short term he clearly wasn't the right choice.

This post will be forgotten just like the many others I have made stating the same things so I again will need to clarify my points answering to lies like the post I quoted.

mate i think you have made your point pretty clear in that you dont think rodgers was the right man to be appointed last season. A lot of people will agree with you but privately.

He's not going anywhere, FSG arent going anywhere, you arent going anywhere, but there's no question this is a massive season for BR. you can give a manager one bad season but not two.

A lot of people arent too confident at the moment but that could change in an instant with a couple of top draw signings. whichever way you look at this, top four is a long way away at the moment.

in the meantime lets get behind the team and see what the season brings.

[Shaggy]

Who's Rodger?

[EwarWoo]

mate i think you have made your point pretty clear in that you dont think rodgers was the right man to be appointed last season. A lot of people will agree with you but privately.

I think you entirely missed his point, and as he says that's why he feels a need to repeat himself. You focused on the bit that's now irrelevant.

His point was BR is the right man now. He was just qualifying it so people wouldn't say he was back and forth with his story.

Arn

Give the guy a break, rightly or wrongly hes feeling a little picked on atm and he's not a bad egg.

[Montana]

I'm sure we'll sign 2 players for the first 11. If not, the **** will really hit the fan.

Until then I'm relaxed about things. Rodgers needs everyone's full backing - FSG, fans.

We don't need to pay a big fee and top money to get a top player. Coutinho & Sturridge proved that. More of the same.

[dww]

Who's Rodger?

He's the one Arn wants out

[Montana]

A big reason to why I need to repeat myself so often is the many lies that get posted about my opinions.

I will always defend myself. LFCHistory imagined up a lie about my opinions so I had to again post my opionions to defend myself.

He isn't the only one that imagine things up or twist my opinions to suit them.

I have posted many times what I want but the lies keep on coming. The posts I make stating what I want is simply "forgotten".

Stop lying and I will stop repeating myself.

If you still keep on lying or twisting my posts then don't blame me if I again repeat myself stating what I really want.

[Slinky Skills]

Give it a rest FFS

TBH, if nobody replied to Arn, then there wouldn't be a problem. We're like flies to a ****.

Hey, I'm honestly not having a personal dig at you.

But I am saying that I find reading your endlessly repeated points across all threads both utterly tedious, and strangely interesting in that people keep reacting to them.

Of course, you're entitled to express your opinions. You just repeat them again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. To the point that these threads become an endless debate about your (let's be honest, quite wacky) views and not much else.

You can see that, right?

[Norbs]

It is still only my opinion and I and everyone else have the right to be negative without getting abused.

Different opinions is allowed, negative and positive. Even **** opinions is allowed.

We all know your opinion, you ram it down everyone's throats constantly, without thinking for a minute that it's repetivitive and boring. That's why you get what you deem to be abuse.

The way that you disrespect our manager is completely ****ing disgraceful. So what if you're still upset that Rafa's gone and you can't let it go. Get this, IT'S NOT RODGERS' FAULT. If the club acted on your opinions then it would be ****ed financially and a honey pot for mercenaries. What the board are doing is to try to attract the right sort of people and they look like they're happy enough to let it take a little longer than one season. Those that don't like it, Suarez for example, can go and find happiness elsewhere. Maybe you should go and support City, or maybe Chelsea next season depending if they finish top.