Evaluating Rodgers' 'Project'

[~LFCHistory~]

I don't want FSG out. I don't want Rodgers out. I don't want Ayre out.

What I want/wanted and you can take this a fact.

I don't want FSG out. I don't think their project will work out but that isn't the same as wanting them out.

I don't want Ayre out. I want him to stay and take care of our sponsorship deals etc. I want us to get someone in that is an expert in the transfer market and have many years of experience dealing with players, clubs and agents. Someone that is very respected out there in the transfer market world.

I think that it was the wrong decision to sign up a manager that needed a learning year last summer. We needed a manager that could improve us straight away.

I want Rodgers to stay. No point starting all over again. Last summer was last summer and now is now. He need time to show if he is the right long term solution or not. Short term he clearly wasn't the right choice.

This post will be forgotten just like the many others I have made stating the same things so I again will need to clarify my points answering to lies like the post I quoted.

Arn why do you even bother posting on a Liverpool FC forum ? It seems like there's almost nothing you like about the club that you supposedly support.

You don't like our manager, owners, MD and recently you've all but said Luis Suarez deserves better than to be at a small club like us.

To me it's odd that you're complaining about being criticised by LFC supporters when all you ever do is post negative, unrealistic, overly critical nonsense on a pro-LFC discussion forum. What exactly do you expect to happen ?
If you brought it all on yourself and will you continue to do so because you don't strike as the sort of person who learns from experience or changes their opinion at all.

[Rowan]

Who's Rodger?

I think he's an engineer

[ronanm]

With existing personnel, I seriously doubt we'll make top 4. I wasn't too enthused with last year but was prepared to give BR at least another year (I am so kind, aren't I? ).

Irrespective of who we get or who leaves, if we finish outside the top 4 next season, rightly or wrongly, his position will be under serious pressure. Hard to put all the blame on him, but he will be the scapegoat imo.

I hope he surprises us all but a hard job becomes a lot harder when other teams are strengthening and your own players are getting themselves banned for nearly 20% of the PL season. With Reina, Carra and Skrtel (potentially) gone, this season this is his team. Whether it's one he deserves or not is another thing.

A manager should be able to play a big role in attracting players. I am not sure BR can point to his achievments and do that as yet tbh.

[dww]

Arn why do you even bother posting on a Liverpool FC forum ? It seems like there's almost nothing you like about the club that you supposedly support.

You don't like our manager, owners, MD and recently you've all but said Luis Suarez deserves better than to be at a small club like us.

To me it's odd that you're complaining about being criticised by LFC supporters when all you ever do is post negative, unrealistic, overly critical nonsense on a pro-LFC discussion forum. What exactly do you expect to happen ?
If you brought it all on yourself and will you continue to do so because you don't strike as the sort of person who learns from experience or changes their opinion at all.

I think you are quite unfair on Arn. It is okay for a supporter to be critical of the direction of the club. I think most people were when H&G had control.

By all means criticise Arns logic or the basis of his theories but you seem to have taken personal offence to him which is clearly both counter productive and a bit tedious for the rest of us.

[~LFCHistory~]

I think you are quite unfair on Arn. It is okay for a supporter to be critical of the direction of the club. I think most people were when H&G had control.

By all means criticise Arns logic or the basis of his theories but you seem to have taken personal offence to him which is clearly both counter productive and a bit tedious for the rest of us.

You're not seriously comparing H+G to FSG/Rodgers are you ? I'm fed up with Arn not because he criticises the club but for the following reaon :

Every single football related post he makes is negative and critical. If you don't believe me why don't you go through his history and try to find a recent Arn post that is positive about the club and doesn't end with jibe/snidey remark. You won't find that because there are none.
The odd critical post I have no problem with as we all make them but when every post is negative you have to question the motivations of that poster. If Arn would just be a little more positive and less negative I'd let him be but as things stand I won't.

[danperkins]

Whilst i would disagree with alot of what Arn says.. nobody should be lambasted for the way they support the club. Because he clearly supports the club, we all do ... just in different ways. If you don't agree with him it's not really a big deal & you don't have to reply or react. Just different opinions on things concerning our club.

IMO it does get a bit too serious sometimes when something negative is said about the club or players. Not a big issue though though as everyone supports the club in their own way. Still though I do think this is the best LFC forum on the net & definitely the most balanced and chilled

P.S. Suarez vole, Hendo wimp, Downing ****ing ****ehawk, Borini crap.... as i said it's only a game

[Chazza]

You're not seriously comparing H+G to FSG/Rodgers are you ? I'm fed up with Arn not because he criticises the club but for the following reaon :

Every single football related post he makes is negative and critical. If you don't believe me why don't you go through his history and try to find a recent Arn post that is positive about the club and doesn't end with jibe/snidey remark. You won't find that because there are none.
The odd critical post I have no problem with as we all make them but when every post is negative you have to question the motivations of that poster. If Arn would just be a little more positive and less negative I'd let him be but as things stand I won't.

Just put him on ignore then.

[Rowan]

The Mancs and Barcelona still spent big on certain players. They have many very expensive players sitting on the bench.

We shouldn't look at Dortmund as an example as FSG and Rodgers mentioned as we should do. We should look at how it works in the PL. What you need to do in the PL.

The Bundesliga is the Bundesliga and the PL the PL.

Different leagues with totally different rules when it comes down to ownership etc.

I can understand why Suarez for example want to leave. How big chance do we have to qualify for the CL in the near future if we don't strenghten the starting XI a lot? He can't be that impressed by our signings so far.

We are Liverpool FC and not Swansea or Norwich.

Liverpool FC exist to win trophies.

We also made a mistake last summer when we signed up Rodgers that needed a learning year. We are paying for that decision now. Wrong time to sign up a manager that needed a learning year. If we had played in the CL then it may have been the right decision but not for a club that needed to improve straight away.

FSG do make some very big mistakes. Rafa did a few big mistakes.

I don't think FSG have got that many big decisions right so far.

We can all complain about FSG (who I think are doing a decent job all things said) but what is/ was the alternative. From memory we had two. Hicks and the other chap or some bloke who owned a few Man Utd chain bars in Singapore (and who has disappeared since bidding). Anyone railing against FSG has a seriously short memory because, Carroll and Downing aside, they saved our bottoms.

If I was FSG and I was reading this I'd probably be inclined to think that the big mistake they made was coming in for us and, what ever their motives for doing it, was saving our arse and they should have maybe sat back and let H+G **** us beyond a three year transitional repair job.

[~LFCHistory~]

Just put him on ignore then.

Wouldn't work. He's the most quoted/replied to poster in every thread so I'd see his posts regardless of whether he's on ignore or not.

[Chazza]

I am sure he will be driven off soon enough.

[Reece]

Every single football related post he makes is negative and critical. If you don't believe me why don't you go through his history and try to find a recent Arn post that is positive about the club and doesn't end with jibe/snidey remark. You won't find that because there are none.

I've just been through your recent history and I was unable to find a post that wasn't about Arn and which doesn't end with a jibe/snidey remark.

So whilst Arn does have his faults, perhaps it's also you that needs to find something else to post about other than him, as you're coming across as a bit obsessed with him!

[TheElephantMan]

This place has become a bit mad recently, I wonder if it's the warm weather? I know we're all guilty of it sometimes, but maybe if people don't react to Arn's nonsense then he won't post so much of it and other posters won't get so wound up about it?

[dom9]

This place has become a bit mad recently, I wonder if it's the warm weather? I know we're all guilty of it sometimes, but maybe if people don't react to Arn's nonsense then he won't post so much of it and other posters won't get so wound up about it?

What we need is a football season to get angry / ecstatic about.

[dww]

You're not seriously comparing H+G to FSG/Rodgers are you ?

Not in the way you seem to want to imply. I suspect that this sort of statement is what gets Arn. I was using H&G as a clear cut example when fans managed to separate the idea of the club (which they supported) and its ownership or control at a given point (which they criticised heavily).

The fact that the matter is clearly less black and white doesn't stop Arn from being able to validly support the team and think that the owners and manager are wrong (or won't lead to success).

I'm fed up with Arn not because he criticises the club but for the following reaon :

Every single football related post he makes is negative and critical. If you don't believe me why don't you go through his history and try to find a recent Arn post that is positive about the club and doesn't end with jibe/snidey remark. You won't find that because there are none.
The odd critical post I have no problem with as we all make them but when every post is negative you have to question the motivations of that poster. If Arn would just be a little more positive and less negative I'd let him be but as things stand I won't.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of Arn will know of many times when he has been wildly optimistic about the team club and certain (often young) players thereof.

I really don't see what you hope to achieve by not letting Arn be. Other than a significantly more worn keyboard, obviously.

[dww]

This place has become a bit mad recently, I wonder if it's the warm weather? I know we're all guilty of it sometimes, but maybe if people don't react to Arn's nonsense then he won't post so much of it and other posters won't get so wound up about it?

I think that is one factor. Along with the fact that for a variety of reasons we are not seeing any transfer progress and the summer is always full of craziness.