The manager - where are you at?

[Sarb]

Come on, what do you disagree with.....

Nothing mate

Was more a point saying if a fan thinks a manager has run his course I dont believe that makes them any less of a fan than someone who doesn't. Never really understood that attitude in a game of opinions. Most fans want what is best for the club. All see things and situations differently and reach different conclusions

[DannyMan2006]

Forgot about that in 78, people gloss over a lot of the discourse that ran from the terraces during the 70s and 80s because ultimately Paisley nearly always got it right

There was one season when we were miles off the pace and Ipswich were running away with the league and I remember the fans beginning to doubt again and Bob turned it around and we won the league. Souness was talking about it the other week and said it was the only time he saw Bob angry he apparently told the dressing room "if you 11 are tired of winning I will sack the lot of you and find 11 men who want to win"

I see through all the bull**** quotes tbh, even if they are great to listen too. Know one wants to be told an average or poor results is a good one, or that there's been an improvement when we know that's crap. But they mean as much as the ones about winning.

If anyone on here thinks Rodgers is happy with how the season is going, or finds the displays acceptable, then they're off their heads. He wants to win as much as anyone on here, I've no doubt about that. He's hurting big time for sure and I'm sure he's scratching his head wondering what's gone wrong as much as we are.

[DannyMan2006]

I agree with a lot of that post, but not this bit. There are many reasons for the Rafa wistfulness - but the main one is probably that there is a feeling of a job left unfinished, that he was battling against owners who weren't on his side and ultimately his efforts were sabotaged from within.

I'm torn on Rodgers, but the main thing for me is that I really want him to do well. Watching Liverpool last season was the most fun I've had as a Liverpool fan as an adult - it was brilliant.

I'm hoping that the loss of Suarez and Sturridge is accounting for this drop off, rather than it being a fundamental issue with his methods and philosophy.

If he comes through this and gets the "project" back on track, we're going to end up with a stronger manager and squad of players for it.

Roberto Di Matteo won the CL with Chelsea. Avram Grant took them to the final and nearly won 3 or 4 trophies as interim manager. They got further in Europe than Jose ever did as manager. Who's the better Chelsea boss? Jose.

You can use that logic in two ways. You could say Rodgers got lucky with the players he had as Robbie & Avram did, or you can say that management is as much about players as it is about the manager. Basically, if you give a event manager the right players, he'll get results.

I used to watch Sunderland regularly as a mate of mine at the time was a big fan. There was no doubt that on occasion the only reason they stayed up was Darren Bent. If you add or takeaway a top goalscorer to any team, it will make a massive difference. We've had two taken away.

[red g]

Nothing mate

Was more a point saying if a fan thinks a manager has run his course I dont believe that makes them any less of a fan than someone who doesn't. Never really understood that attitude in a game of opinions. Most fans want what is best for the club. All see things and situations differently and reach different conclusions

Depends doesn't it? If Said fan thought the same last year and still wanted him out?

Surely you can agree that if they supported him last season and thought he was doing a good job that 3 months of a season specially without our SAS strikeforce is a bit kneejerk?

[ronanm]

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[ronanm]

I see through all the bull**** quotes tbh, even if they are great to listen too. Know one wants to be told an average or poor results is a good one, or that there's been an improvement when we know that's crap. But they mean as much as the ones about winning.

If anyone on here thinks Rodgers is happy with how the season is going, or finds the displays acceptable, then they're off their heads. He wants to win as much as anyone on here, I've no doubt about that. He's hurting big time for sure and I'm sure he's scratching his head wondering what's gone wrong as much as we are.

I agree. That's the problem.

[Sarb]

Depends doesn't it? If Said fan thought the same last year and still wanted him out?

Surely you can agree that if they supported him last season and thought he was doing a good job that 3 months of a season specially without our SAS strikeforce is a bit kneejerk?

Not really no. If people see that we have adopted a completely different style of play, attacking play has regressed and the defence has gotten even worse (if that was possible), coupled with wrong systems, incorrect player choices and some ridiculous comments to the media I dont think it is knee jerk at all.

Hasn't really shown much to indicate he knows what the problem is. It's almost December and we have lost 4 on the bounce, not won in 5 and only one convincing performance all season. Something like almost 50% loss ratio this season. Loads of fans have serious doubts about his ability to turn it round

[DannyMan2006]

Nothing mate

Was more a point saying if a fan thinks a manager has run his course I dont believe that makes them any less of a fan than someone who doesn't. Never really understood that attitude in a game of opinions. Most fans want what is best for the club. All see things and situations differently and reach different conclusions

I totally agree with you. People can disagree on a point and we will not know who is right until way in the future, if at all. My only issue with our supporters is when they slag off players directly on social media or in the streets, or have a go during a game. Every ounce of energy during match time should be directed towards supporting the team and inspiring them to greater heights.

It's difficult when you're watching the equivalent of paint drying. But I've read numerous jokes about how Barca and Real fans are like Theatre snobs who only applaud when they see perfection, but to me, that's what's creeped into Anfield. The board and management should not settle until they're number one club in the world. And I wouldn't accept any less than that target. But I understand the need for patience and understanding & anyone who shows effort will always get my backing.

In the not too distant past we had leadership at the club that were more interested in politics than success. That was when views needed to be aired and when I was heavily critical of certain appointments etc. I do not agree with the way FSG are going about things, but believe they have the right intentions. I also know that if Rodgers doesn't do well, he'll get the sack. So I'm happy to support and wait and see what happens. I never think the management job is a lost cause. He has time to turn it around and he is capable. Weather or not he does is down to him.

[DannyMan2006]

Depends doesn't it? If Said fan thought the same last year and still wanted him out?

Surely you can agree that if they supported him last season and thought he was doing a good job that 3 months of a season specially without our SAS strikeforce is a bit kneejerk?

A fan can have a view that is completely the opposite to me, but it doesn't make them any less of a fan. Or anymore if they're right for that matter. I disagree that an opinion on something should prove how much of a fan you are.

I notice Lec of late is getting hacked off and completely disagrees with many of my posts. But whoever is right, it doesn't make the other any less of a fan. I only want the best for LFC, and I am confident that Lec, Sarb and others who criticise Rodgers, or doubt him. hold the same view.

[Sarb]

A fan can have a view that is completely the opposite to me, but it doesn't make them any less of a fan. Or anymore if they're right for that matter. I disagree that an opinion on something should prove how much of a fan you are.

I notice Lec of late is getting hacked off and completely disagrees with many of my posts. But whoever is right, it doesn't make the other any less of a fan. I only want the best for LFC, and I am confident that Lec, Sarb and others who criticise Rodgers, or doubt him. hold the same view.

[SK]

it's more a matter of frustration for me. We've all seen what fundamental issues the team has had this season, and Rodgers' unwillingness to change the players who weren't performing was the main issuse most have with him atm.

even in his first six months at the club, there were signs of improvement albeit they were mostly undone by individual cockups. But there were signs, and noone i can remember was calling for his head despite poor results.

Now this season, a few problems were so obvious from the start that it's been so frustrating watching him and the team making the same mistakes for three months without even contemplating a change in personel. The loss at Palace finnaly forced him to push SG up the pitch, Lovren off it and Balo's injury made way for Lambert.

His future at the clubs will be decided by results, and if he continues the way he's set up in Bulgaria i'm sure we'll seen improvement soon, but if not, if he reverts to the ****e limeups of this season it will be his own downfall

[DannyMan2006]

it's more a matter of frustration for me. We've all seen what fundamental issues the team has had this season, and Rodgers' unwillingness to change the players who weren't performing was the main issuse most have with him atm.

even in his first six months at the club, there were signs of improvement albeit they were mostly undone by individual cockups. But there were signs, and noone i can remember was calling for his head despite poor results.

Now this season, a few problems were so obvious from the start that it's been so frustrating watching him and the team making the same mistakes for three months without even contemplating a change in personel. The loss at Palace finnaly forced him to push SG up the pitch, Lovren off it and Balo's injury made way for Lambert.

His future at the clubs will be decided by results, and if he continues the way he's set up in Bulgaria i'm sure we'll seen improvement soon, but if not, if he reverts to the ****e limeups of this season it will be his own downfall

Sometimes you're better to be lucky than good and an injury to Mario and having to start Lambert may well prove a turning point.

I struggle with Rodgers constantly playing Mario alone, he lacks movement and that is what Gerrard needs to be a success at DM. A playmaker without runners, a winger without a target man - pretty ****ing pointless tbh. But I also felt we needed to move away from Stevie starting every game at DM, so it could be that this turn of events has made Rodgers fall upon a change that may prove a success.

[Lecter]

Are we talking Gerald Sinstadt and "the party's over" after losing at home to Man City in 1981?

[Tee]

A fan can have a view that is completely the opposite to me, but it doesn't make them any less of a fan. Or anymore if they're right for that matter. I disagree that an opinion on something should prove how much of a fan you are.

I notice Lec of late is getting hacked off and completely disagrees with many of my posts. But whoever is right, it doesn't make the other any less of a fan. I only want the best for LFC, and I am confident that Lec, Sarb and others who criticise Rodgers, or doubt him. hold the same view.

Well said that man.

[Lecter]

A fan can have a view that is completely the opposite to me, but it doesn't make them any less of a fan. Or anymore if they're right for that matter. I disagree that an opinion on something should prove how much of a fan you are.

I notice Lec of late is getting hacked off and completely disagrees with many of my posts. But whoever is right, it doesn't make the other any less of a fan. I only want the best for LFC, and I am confident that Lec, Sarb and others who criticise Rodgers, or doubt him. hold the same view.