The manager - where are you at?

[Pablo]

"What happened last season is history" and "you are only as good as your last game" and "there should be no sentiment in football"

Three quotes from members of our illustrious bootroom

Brendan did a marvelous job last year, hes not this. What he did last year doesnt affect in any way what we are seeing on the pitch now

He has to stop the rot, I hope he does but I would now be surprised if he does turn things round

A bit manipulative using those quotes, and they're mainly out of context. You'll be quoting from the Bible next.

If you think that Shankly, Paisley or Fagan would be calling for his head already then I couldn't disagree with you more? I fully believe they'd be appalled that the fans would turn on the manager so quickly. They'd be right too.

[Lecter]

A bit manipulative using those quotes, and they're mainly out of context. You'll be quoting from the Bible next.

If you think that Shankly, Paisley or Fagan would be calling for his head already then I couldn't disagree with you more? I fully believe they'd be appalled that the fans would turn on the manager so quickly. They'd be right too.

Theres lots of bull**** fed about the fans of the 70's

I remember in 76-77 fans starting to question whether Paisley was the right man, there was even boos after some of the games

Obviously he then went on to win the league and the European Cup that season but there was definite dischord around the ground but people forget that because of what Paisley went on to do at the end of the season

The bottomline is all of those men would be more appalled by the standard of our football than anything else

Remember Paisley coined the phrase that he had "been at the club during bad times, one year they finished second"

[Pablo]

Theres lots of bull**** fed about the fans of the 70's

I remember in 76-77 fans starting to question whether Paisley was the right man, there was even boos after some of the games

Obviously he then went on to win the league and the European Cup that season but there was definite dischord around the ground but people forget that because of what Paisley went on to do at the end of the season

The bottomline is all of those men would be more appalled by the standard of our football than anything else

Remember Paisley coined the phrase that he had "been at the club during bad times, one year they finished second"

More soundbites. Great. Well done you.

Look you've obviously been following Liverpool longer than I have. I wasn't even born in the 70s so I'll take your word for it. You win at Liverpool.

I still think you're ****ing wrong though.

[ChrisDR1968]

Theres lots of bull**** fed about the fans of the 70's

I remember in 76-77 fans starting to question whether Paisley was the right man, there was even boos after some of the games

Obviously he then went on to win the league and the European Cup that season but there was definite dischord around the ground but people forget that because of what Paisley went on to do at the end of the season

The bottomline is all of those men would be more appalled by the standard of our football than anything else

Remember Paisley coined the phrase that he had "been at the club during bad times, one year they finished second"

That's the season I started watching in the Kemlyn. Ray Clemence trotting along the 18 yard box back and forth to stop himself getting bored (I sat right in line with it) and looking at Bob sitting in his seat in the director's box.

The football Paisley's teams played could be a little boring at times especially if the opposition packed the defence but you just knew, knew the club was in safe hands with him as manager

Incidentally the team lost 4 games out of 5 at the start of 1978 and there were whispers about him then too. It's at that point he stopped playing Ian Callaghan who was up there in age and brought in Graeme Souness.

[Kenneth]

A bit manipulative using those quotes, and they're mainly out of context. You'll be quoting from the Bible next.

If you think that Shankly, Paisley or Fagan would be calling for his head already then I couldn't disagree with you more? I fully believe they'd be appalled that the fans would turn on the manager so quickly. They'd be right too.

When you say you're surprised how quickly people have turned against brendan, or at least started to have major doubts then I kind of agree. Even people who are cool have been hinting at it. I think it's signs of a latent scepticism about Rodgers that people have had from the off, maybe without particularly realising it. His age, his brentisms, his lack of a track record, his teeth (old and new) could all be factors.

For me it's the track record and cv. If we were in utd's position and had Van Gaal and were losing there would be comfort in knowing he does actually know what he's doing, even if it's not working at the moment. Brendan is trying to prove that for the first time and it's a much bigger leap of faith to believe in.

[Fierce]

Thing is we have been saying this for a while:"Win the next two and we'll be right up there...." but it never happens, we haven't won a game since october. IMO if he doesn't get a result or at least a decent performance this weekend he should be out, there are just too many things going wrong, for which he's responsible. And his handling of Gerrard is just killing him.

Wow. ****ing hell

Best fans in the world

Couldn't agree more. Hate when people do that

[DannyMan2006]

Theres lots of bull**** fed about the fans of the 70's

I remember in 76-77 fans starting to question whether Paisley was the right man, there was even boos after some of the games

Obviously he then went on to win the league and the European Cup that season but there was definite dischord around the ground but people forget that because of what Paisley went on to do at the end of the season

The bottomline is all of those men would be more appalled by the standard of our football than anything else

Remember Paisley coined the phrase that he had "been at the club during bad times, one year they finished second"

The bottom line is that in the era we were winning everything, we could match anyone in the transfer market, and due to being the club that won things, the best players would want to sign for us.

Now I hate to tell people the reality of the situation, but we are not a club who regularly wins things anymore and haven't been for a long time. And that's proven by the fact people would readily take Rafa back, despite him winning only two trophies in all his time.

People are pissed at Rodgers and rightly so. He's done nowhere near a good enough job so far with the players he has. He's persisted with certain players when it's clear others should have had a chance to stake a claim. But he sees the guys in training, knows the fitness issues, and ultimately, will stand or fall by his decisions.

There are certain managers who I believe in this situation would be doing a better job. I think Rodgers lacks experience in many areas, but the owners new what they were getting. They got an exciting young manager who is wet behind the ears. I always felt he'd run into trouble here at some point and need some serious believe placed in him to see him through. Luckily for him he's shown what he is capable of in the right circumstances & I've no reason to doubt he couldn't achieve the same thing in time.

[Sarb]

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[DannyMan2006]

Oh, and our fans are nowhere near the best in the world, just similar to others these days. Happy when they're winning and wanting people sacked or dropped at the first sign of trouble. YNWA means nothing tbh.

Sad fact is that if our fans could be arsed at Anfield we'd likely see much better performances. Instead it's like everywhere else in the world, support when things are plain sailing.

[Sarb]

Would agree with that if he wasn't trying to implement a style and system that didnt work for him here in his first 6 months and has dumped a system that worked really well for a season and a half. Plus I dont think he even has the players to play the way he wants. Where is his adaptibility?

[DannyMan2006]

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Come on, what do you disagree with.....

[Daniel 7]

And that's proven by the fact people would readily take Rafa back, despite him winning only two trophies in all his time.

I agree with a lot of that post, but not this bit. There are many reasons for the Rafa wistfulness - but the main one is probably that there is a feeling of a job left unfinished, that he was battling against owners who weren't on his side and ultimately his efforts were sabotaged from within.

I'm torn on Rodgers, but the main thing for me is that I really want him to do well. Watching Liverpool last season was the most fun I've had as a Liverpool fan as an adult - it was brilliant.

I'm hoping that the loss of Suarez and Sturridge is accounting for this drop off, rather than it being a fundamental issue with his methods and philosophy.

If he comes through this and gets the "project" back on track, we're going to end up with a stronger manager and squad of players for it.

[Lecter]

That's the season I started watching in the Kemlyn. Ray Clemence trotting along the 18 yard box back and forth to stop himself getting bored (I sat right in line with it) and looking at Bob sitting in his seat in the director's box.

The football Paisley's teams played could be a little boring at times especially if the opposition packed the defence but you just knew, knew the club was in safe hands with him as manager

Incidentally the team lost 4 games out of 5 at the start of 1978 and there were whispers about him then too. It's at that point he stopped playing Ian Callaghan who was up there in age and brought in Graeme Souness.

Forgot about that in 78, people gloss over a lot of the discourse that ran from the terraces during the 70s and 80s because ultimately Paisley nearly always got it right

There was one season when we were miles off the pace and Ipswich were running away with the league and I remember the fans beginning to doubt again and Bob turned it around and we won the league. Souness was talking about it the other week and said it was the only time he saw Bob angry he apparently told the dressing room "if you 11 are tired of winning I will sack the lot of you and find 11 men who want to win"

[DannyMan2006]

Would agree with that if he wasn't trying to implement a style and system that didnt work for him here in his first 6 months and has dumped a system that worked really well for a season and a half. Plus I dont think he even has the players to play the way he wants. Where is his adaptibility?

I believe he lacks adaptability. Difficult to compare him to someone who's won stuff in the past, but he reminds me of Wenger in that he pretty much sticks to his style and doesn't really change too much. Most managers are the same tbh.

If he's given the right players to work with he'll get results. If he's not, forget it IMO. More than many, he relies on a certain type of player. His system isn't an easy one for players to take on board. Look at the style of Tony Pulis. Gets results. But it is basically a style that can be coached into ANY player, all they have to be is willing to learn.

The style of Brendan Rodgers, I don't feel it's one that is so easy to teach, it takes time, and I feel some will never actually get it or have the ability. Mignolet & Skrtel have had more than enough time IMO, and they haven't learned. They never will likely. I sit watching us pass it about at the back and watch as they fumble through the motions. Lack of confidence or ability? Both in some cases I think. Should Brendan have replaced them? Yes. But I don't know who sits in charge of transfers.

The easy way is to just sack him and get a manager whose style is more about work as opposed to a reliance on natural ability. But that would be a real shame, because whilst other managers would take us so far, higher than we are at present, I feel they would have a limited ceiling. Back Rodgers and he could reach the stars as shown last year. I don't know of many other managers (if any) who could have reached second with that group of players last season. But of course, there's plenty who could be doing better than this seasons results.

[ChrisDR1968]

Forgot about that in 78, people gloss over a lot of the discourse that ran from the terraces during the 70s and 80s because ultimately Paisley nearly always got it right

There was one season when we were miles off the pace and Ipswich were running away with the league and I remember the fans beginning to doubt again and Bob turned it around and we won the league. Souness was talking about it the other week and said it was the only time he saw Bob angry he apparently told the dressing room "if you 11 are tired of winning I will sack the lot of you and find 11 men who want to win"

Are we talking Gerald Sinstadt and "the party's over" after losing at home to Man City in 1981?