The manager - where are you at?

[~LFCHistory~]

I'm starting to think the rot has set in tbh, once that happens it's extremely rare for a manager to turn it around.

We can't score goals or defend and despite what some of us might think about the current squad with the players BR has at his disposal we should be doing better than we have been this season.

[Alex]

I agree with you a tad too much, I want them out too. Get in some football men, not business men.

Like it or not we are a business and you cant run Liverpool as a purely footballing concern now.

'Football Men' What does that mean? Harry Redknapp and Sam Allardyce?


Ayre is doing a good job, footballing decisions are not his forte, but I doubt he has much imput on them.

[Lecter]

I'm starting to think the rot has set in tbh, once that happens it's extremely rare for a manager to turn it around.

We can't score goals or defend and despite what some of us might think about the current squad with the players BR has at his disposal we should be doing better than we have been this season.

[Sarb]

I'm starting to think the rot has set in tbh, once that happens it's extremely rare for a manager to turn it around.

We can't score goals or defend and despite what some of us might think about the current squad with the players BR has at his disposal we should be doing better than we have been this season.

[Sarb]

Like it or not we are a business and you cant run Liverpool as a purely footballing concern now.

'Football Men' What does that mean? Harry Redknapp and Sam Allardyce?


Ayre is doing a good job, footballing decisions are not his forte, but I doubt he has much imput on them.

A Chief Exec of a footbal club has to be good at football decisions aswell though. He is massively lacking on that front

[SK]

Oh Im not writing the likes of Lallana, Markovic Moreno, Can off at all. Think they will come good eventually. But some really werent what was needed having come 2nd. A couple of top quality additions plus some squaddies. We have about 4 players who could play no.10. What is the point? Such a waste

But Rodgers isnt doing anything to help. Lallana in and out of the side. Can good v Chelsea and Madrid, dropped. Moreno probably best signing, dropped. Lovren mistake after mistake comes back in

He can talk about young players all he likes. It's his older players costing us. And they are undroppable

Lucas plays the DM position better than Gerrard, this season at least. He won't pick him

He doesnt want a destroyer. He got Balo. Yeah probably didnt want him, but then having him he plays him in a way that makes him totally ineffective. He wanted Borini and Lambert and rarely gives either a sniff

This is what I mean. For every transfer issue, it is compounded by what he does in stubborn selections and systems. I really think he has lost the players. It looks grim

I :handshake:think our biggest failing right now is as a club, when there is so little patience and it's so hard to get working peace. If you don't have totalitarian rule excpetional amount of money you need time to build something, and we have been increasingly poor at that. There will be up's and down's on that road (Dortmund a good example) and it may take years (again Dortmund), but with time and continuity there is a chance of being competitive when not in the position of Chelsea/City.

It's frustrating as hell right now, but there is little use in just going straight at the throat of the manager and captain, that seems the prefered targets (forgot about Mignolet/Johnson/Balotelli ). In reality it's a team that needs to rebuild the confidence needed, and it's a team failure right now and not 1-2 persons, and when skipped out / benched it will all magically be better. It's not looking encouraging at the moment, but there is no reason to panick neither. Very few clubs have gained succes by firering managers mid season and in the middle of building something - quite to the contrary...

re dropping gerrard - apart from the spurs miracle, it's not a coincidence our best midfield performances have been when he's been out of the starting lineup. he's just not a holding midfielder neither does he have the tactical awarness to do the defensive work, nor does he have the patience to bring the ball out of defence, he's never been one for sharing responsabiltiy, he's always tried to do things by himself, but you just can't do that as a DM.

the first and the second goal yesterday would have been sniffed out by a genuine holding mid, and gerrard was on the wing for the first one, and horribly late in the box for the second one.

now he's not our only problen but he's the only problem that impacts both our defence and attack.

[DannyMan2006]

A Chief Exec of a footbal club has to be good at football decisions aswell though. He is massively lacking on that front

What has he done wrong lately?

We all know where this club went wrong - the transfer market. But who's to be blamed for that? That's the key issue. But I have a feeling we are a club looking for bargains as opposed to proven quality. Makes perfect sense on a computer game when you know the potential they will reach, but irl it's as much a gamble signing a possible star as it is risking a huge outlay on a current star.

When selling Suarez we needed to sign two current stars. And I mean top drawer. With the rest of the cash we had ear marked we could bulk out the squad which was of course needed. I know we had no chance of these two, but I'm talking players like Diego Costa & Cesc Fabregas.

What we don't know is who we actually made a real effort to sign. Sanchez was one and fits the bill. Who else? Did we go for Cavani & Higuain? What about Benzema? Difficult to say & as such it's difficult to know where to lay the blame. I should point out I haven't given up on any of our summer signings. But the fact of the matter is we should have signed 2 players ready to walk into last seasons starting XI and then let the rest gradually come through.

Instead we start the season with 3 additions to the back 4; Moreno, Lovren & Manquillo as well as trying to fit in Can, Lallana, Markovic & Balotelli into the side at pretty much the same time. The side has become unrecognisable to last seasons. Crazy.

[Maxiedge]

the first and the second goal yesterday would have been sniffed out by a genuine holding mid

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Actually, I disagree. Yes, he could have done better but that's not the crux of the issue for me. The main point is that both goals came from a phase in play where we were in total control but then do something inexplicably sloppy to give the opponents the ball. When the turn around is so sudden, it's difficult to compose yourself, see the danger and get yourself into position as you weren't expecting it. You can put a world class DM in there but if we're going to keep giving the ball away cheaply, then they'll score eventually. The new DM will certainly earn his keep, that's for sure.

[DannyMan2006]

On Gerrard - We're not scoring goals further forwards so I'd play him up top and put Lucas as DM. Can & Hendo next to him. Another alternative is bring Gerrard on with 30mins to go when the oppositions legs have gone a bit.

[SK]

Actually, I disagree. Yes, he could have done better but that's not the crux of the issue for me. The main point is that both goals came from a phase in play where we were in total control but then do something inexplicably sloppy to give the opponents the ball. When the turn around is so sudden, it's difficult to compose yourself, see the danger and get yourself into position as you weren't expecting it. You can put a world class DM in there but if we're going to keep giving the ball away cheaply, then they'll score eventually. The new DM will certainly earn his keep, that's for sure.

that's another issue yes, from our corners to their goal scoring chances, it's been happening a lot this season. but an experienced DM would perhaps see that coming, as it stands we're a shambles in midfield mostly for accomodating stevie's lack of tactical awarness

[DannyMan2006]

Actually, I disagree. Yes, he could have done better but that's not the crux of the issue for me. The main point is that both goals came from a phase in play where we were in total control but then do something inexplicably sloppy to give the opponents the ball. When the turn around is so sudden, it's difficult to compose yourself, see the danger and get yourself into position as you weren't expecting it. You can put a world class DM in there but if we're going to keep giving the ball away cheaply, then they'll score eventually. The new DM will certainly earn his keep, that's for sure.

Gerrard is nowhere near the main reason. In front of a solid backline if feel he'd do very well still. But he doesn't have a solid backline and he has no runners to aim at like last season. His strengths are not being used. If you won't play to a players strengths, they can look pretty average.

Henderson a strength is his stamina, & we are no longer pressing as a team so he looks average. Sterling a strength is his close dribbling & tactical awareness, instead he's wasted out wide & forced to go on his stronger foot & become predictable. Coutinho will find breaking runners with an inch perfect through ball all game. He'll got on the ball & run the show in those situations. Instead we have limited movement & he's being asked to be a box to box midfielder & in the premiership he gets shown up.

[SK]

Gerrard is nowhere near the main reason. In front of a solid backline if feel he'd do very well still. But he doesn't have a solid backline and he has no runners to aim at like last season. His strengths are not being used. If you won't play to a players strengths, they can look pretty average.

Henderson a strength is his stamina, & we are no longer pressing as a team so he looks average. Sterling a strength is his close dribbling & tactical awareness, instead he's wasted out wide & forced to go on his stronger foot & become predictable. Coutinho will find breaking runners with an inch perfect through ball all game. He'll got on the ball & run the show in those situations. Instead we have limited movement & he's being asked to be a box to box midfielder & in the premiership he gets shown up.

maybe the defence would be more solid with someone to protect them infront?

[Maxiedge]

that's another issue yes, from our corners to their goal scoring chances, it's been happening a lot this season. but an experienced DM would perhaps see that coming, as it stands we're a shambles in midfield mostly for accomodating stevie's lack of tactical awarness

Also, if you're having you're HM/DM taking corners/FKs then he can't be in a position to stop their counter. He's also probably our best shooter from outside the box and how many times have we seen the ball drop there and no LFC player around and we get hit with the counter.
It's all a big f'in mess, I'm sorry to say.

[DannyMan2006]

that's another issue yes, from our corners to their goal scoring chances, it's been happening a lot this season. but an experienced DM would perhaps see that coming, as it stands we're a shambles in midfield mostly for accomodating stevie's lack of tactical awarness

Our DM takes most our corners, it's not his fault they're breaking. And if he doesn't he's in the box for height. And he's hardly gonna have the ability to sprint back & save the day. We've been setting up poorly. Rodgers is a bright coach, he should look at videos of us and see where an opposition coach will exploit.

From what I've seen this season, if you press LFC high, they struggle & you don't have to worry about a threat on the counter like last year. Then you get one player playing on Gerrard & between the lines & you kill us there. Throw in strikers or wingers running into the space between CB & FB, and you'll create problems all day long.

[SK]

Also, if you're having you're HM/DM taking corners/FKs then he can't be in a position to stop their counter. He's also probably our best shooter from outside the box and how many times have we seen the ball drop there and no LFC player around and we get hit with the counter.
It's all a big f'in mess, I'm sorry to say.

well the commentator here said yesterday that stevie hasn't scored a goal from open play in two seasons, and i remember a debate a while ago that he's knees are shot and that why he takes less long range shots and plays further back.

and yes why on earth is he taking our corners is beyond me.