CL Final Liverpool v Real Madrid (Paris)

[Shaggy]

Paris is some ****in ****hole.......

Still a bit knackered from the whole experience to be honest. Haven't watched any footage / highlights of the actual game. Not sure I will to be honest.

Same. Never will. Haven't been in any of the other threads. Not interested in transfer stories, whether or not Mane stays etc, not remotely arsed at the moment....and I wasn't even at the ground. Just feel extremely down - and exhausted - after a trip that should've been a dream but turned into a nightmare.

From the minute we - at the fan park - started getting messages from our mates at the ground, the game felt insignificant and the mood turned completely. Not in a troublesome way...it was just flat. Everyone fearing the worst. And then we left the fan park and we got our own taste of those pigs' medicine.

Still it was great to meet up with wiw, 'Liverpool' and others. Just gutted for them and everyone else I know who went up to the ground.

Personally I'm still fed up about being robbed, but also feel fortunate I got out of there, and those ****ing feral streets, unharmed and came home in one piece. What a ****ing ****show.

[Charly]

I went to Paris once. Never again.

Sums things up that they serve you a stale roll and call it a continental breakfast. No wonder they are all so ****ing miserable. Full English all the way!!!

[Fredo]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531530086809317376

I can't stand this guy usually but hats off to him for calling this dickhead out and cutting him.

[shanks69]

[ame="https://youtu.be/Wjv3LdatXVI"]What Really Happened Before the Champions League Final - YouTube[/ame]

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[Norbs]

Del

[Buzzo]

This sympathetic report covers some of the geography near to the ground, and takes place whilst the game is going on.

[ame]https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1530870523617591296[/ame]

[Fosterbloke]

No one's mentioned it but I wonder if any of this filtered through to the players and this maybe affected their performance?

Not looking to excuse the loss, just wondering if it could have been a factor.

[Buzzo]

No one's mentioned it but I wonder if any of this filtered through to the players and this maybe affected their performance?

Not looking to excuse the loss, just wondering if it could have been a factor.

I believe the players werent allowed on their phones, but Robbo mentioned in interview (where he confirmed a relative who he had supplied with a ticket was denied entry) they they knew there was a supporter incident, and when they went out to warm up for the second time they could also see that all of the gaps were in the Liverpool end.

Not ideal.

[Liverpool]

the fella I stayed with in Paris had no interest in sports, he was unaware of the score or the delay to kick off the next day. He's text me saying this is now a huge national scandal

[Fosterbloke]

the fella I stayed with in Paris had no interest in sports, he was unaware of the score or the delay to kick off the next day. He's text me saying this is now a huge national scandal

And rightly so -

Even Thierry Henry said St Denis is a place you want to avoid.

[Shaggy]

the fella I stayed with in Paris had no interest in sports, he was unaware of the score or the delay to kick off the next day. He's text me saying this is now a huge national scandal

Good

[Myo]

I went to Paris once. Never again.

absolutely agree with this, last time I went was over a decade ago, full of pickpockets, cestpool of urban crime and underlying tension...and that's saying much as lived in some of the dodgiest places in the world... everytime I hear someone 'oh I would so love to vist Paris, it must be so romantic Andre le pew pew style' I always answer why on earth would you, that distinct notion of a Parisian life style in that cesspool is outdated/vastly over rated and have been for sometime (lovely other parts of France though)

[Shaggy]

[ame]https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1531912680163917829[/ame]

Final cover-up won’t wash in the age of fan videos

The primary author of the Hillsborough independent panel report says what happened in Paris is all too familiar

Phil Scraton
Wednesday June 01 2022, 12.01am, The Times

Since the distressing events at the Stade de France, I have received more than 500 statements from supporters. The consistency of their experiences emphasises the importance of an independent panel to review the context in which the match was organised and staged.

The panel’s key objectives would be to access documentary evidence regarding the decision to hold the match in Paris and to receive and analyse fans’ testimonies. A panel must have the range of expertise to develop a detailed analysis and be independent of all organisations responsible for staging the match.

Uefa has stated its intention to hold an inquiry, yet it was the principal organising body and cannot be considered independent.

Similarly, the French authorities in licensing the stadium, the police in regulating the crowd and the owners of the stadium have vested interests.

The public, particularly football fans, will always be sceptical after the police reconstructed evidence in the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster. What is significantly different today is the mass of evidence on thousands of mobile phones.

Gathering eyewitness accounts would provide an essential database for analysis. This process follows an established model — a “people’s inquiry” — which those who were caught up in the events could participate in and have faith in.

Its key focuses should be: the decision to hold the final at the Stade de France and all aspects of pre-match preparation regarding safety; how fans were received into Paris and the organisation of fan zones; crowd safety and organisation outside and inside the stadium; the adequacy of crowd stewarding by stadium employees; the role and intervention of riot police including the use of tear gas; the kettling and confining of fans in the approaches to the stadium.

It is also important to consider the policing of the crowd during and after the match and events outside the stadium as fans left. It is only by accessing detailed accounts from those directly impacted that a thorough analysis can be achieved.

From the accounts I have read, there are clear consistencies regarding inadequacies in directing people on arrival, stewarding them on their approach and on gaining entry into the stadium. Bottlenecks were created by police vehicles, and police in body armour reacted violently to a passive crowd.

It is the responsibility of the organisers, stadium owners and the police to put in place arrangements to safeguard fans attending — at significant cost — an unfamiliar venue, ensuring they are safely directed to the entrances. It is already evident from fans’ written accounts, their mobile phone filming and their photographs that their safety was compromised, by slowing their progress and by aggressive policing using unreasonable force and tear gas.

Yet there is filmed evidence of local people, assisted by stewards, gaining entry without tickets.

What happened is all too familiar, regarding football fans as a threat.

Before the dust settled on Saturday, the trope of Hillsborough was wheeled out by the French authorities — that “thousands” of ticketless fans were determined to force entry. That lazy allegation was debunked by the Hillsborough Panel’s research and there is no evidence that it had credibility in Paris.

Phil Scraton is the author of Hillsborough: The Truth and lead researcher and primary author of Hillsborough, the Hillsborough Independent Panel Report.

[Galb]

Good

Yeah, when we left on Monday all the local papers had it front page. Lots of references to Fiasco. Didnt sound like they were buying the official French line either.

[Shaggy]

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