Spurs Away thread

[Tatterdemalion]

It just needs repeating. It doesn’t get any easier to read. How can they not have a process to ensure this is impossible FFS.

https://twitter.com/samwallacetel/st...41510318158084

Doesn't explain why Sky weren't given the lines though.

[Tatterdemalion]

Kind of expecting another note from PGMOL admitting they were actually watching the replay of Everton v Luton.

[BootRoom]

Doesn't explain why Sky weren't given the lines though.

I'll hazard a guess and say they knew as soon as the game restarted with a free kick to Spurs that there had been a colossal **** up, so they were not too keen to proffer the conclusive evidence that the goal was legitimate; better to sit tight and give the ol' "human error and we'll launch a full investigation" blurb after the game.

[Tatterdemalion]

But the decision was so quick. No lines were drawn. Admittedly it sounds like the VAR thought it was an obvious decision, but surely they have a process.

Anyway, total mess. Pretty sure this will live beyond this game - they'll have to change something.

[rudedog]

I think the reason they've provided is fabricated.

Are we to believe that the VAR ref didn't notice:

1. The linesman flagged for offside straight away and there were no celebrations from Liverpool players.
2. The VAR referee didn't notice VAR screen that VAR put up on the monitors that said ' Checking Disallowed Goal'
3. The VAR referee didn't notice that a free kick had been given instead of a Spurs Kickoff when play resumed
4. The VAR referee didn't notice the score remained 0:0.


I'm just not buying any of this - would love to hear the transcript of the VAR officials to see when exactly they became aware of the massive **** up that had just happened and why they then chose to do absolutely nothing about it.

The whole thing stinks

[BootRoom]

From just eye-balling it in real time Diaz looked way onside, and that's probably the case when geometry was added. I assume there is usually some sort of delay between when they first start twiddling their super advanced techno-wizardry and it being passed along to the media company covering the game, but because the check was so quick the game had restarted before the info was passed along, and then they saw the game had restarted with a free-kick and no goal awarded, so they thought: "**** that, we'll just keep hold of this for the time being". It would be super embarrassing for VAR/PGMOL to then have the lines appear when the game has already restarted without the goal that their technology had just deemed legitimate.

[spud_gun]

The fact they've deliberately withheld the image with their lines because it makes them look bad is excruciatingly poor.

It paints them as a two bob outfit.

[ChesterDave]

On the plus side, the Saudis are going to poach refs from the Premier League.

I can't wait till they take every last ****ing one of the stupid ****ing corrupt cunts.

[ChesterDave]

It’s absolutely rotten this is, when you factor in all the other things it got wrong then it looks like sabotage…… is there any precedent in retrospective action on the game? Like play it again?

I just wish Klopp, or any manager for that matter would go in so hard on the incompetence of officials that a touchline bad would be meaningless. I want the attack to be so scathing that it can't be igno

[ChesterDave]

Oh, and by the way...

https://www.sfo.gov.uk/contact-us/reporting-serious-fraud-bribery-corruption/

[Fivex]

Do they not talk to each other for offsides?

Ref - can you check the offside, the linesman says it’s offside.
VAR - yes it was offside it’s free kick or no it was onside the goal stands.

It’s not complicated.

I mean the ref has to communicate what he wants checked and what the on field decision was and then the VAR responds with a clear answer therefore making sure both know what is being checked and what the on field decision is.

I hope that the club, the press, whoever asks for the audio so we hear what happened. There is no point in them going on sky showing clips of them getting decisions right and saying look it works. How about you go on and show five wrong decisions, explain what went wrong and how you intend on fixing them. I’d be more interested in that.

The only way this ends with VAR intact is all communications being made available to either tv stations, the clubs, or an independent auditor who can investigate if a complaint is made.

[BootRoom]

The most important question is what led the VAR dude to believe he was checking a legitimate goal, as opposed to checking a disallowed goal. I'm not super confident that information will be forthcoming beyond the "miscommunication, human error, lessons learned" baloney that will be served up. Either there was a Ref to VAR ****up, the VAR dude was not paying attention to the game, or both.

[Scratch]

The fact they've deliberately withheld the image with their lines because it makes them look bad is excruciatingly poor.

It paints them as a two bob outfit.

I don't think they drew the lines. If the VAR assumes the onfield decision was onside, and when it is that obvious, there is no need for lines, hence the quick 'check complete' as VAR reckons goal should stand.

[Scratch]

The most important question is what led the VAR dude to believe he was checking a legitimate goal, as opposed to checking a disallowed goal.

Is it something as simple as hearing "ok, no offside" and "ok no, offside" ?

[Fivex]

I don't think they drew the lines. If the VAR assumes the onfield decision was onside, and when it is that obvious, there is no need for lines, hence the quick 'check complete' as VAR reckons goal should stand.

But when it’s that obvious, then the job of VAR would naturally include the question, “what other infringements may have occurred then, since there’s no question of onside”