Arne Slot

[memzey]

Slot wasn't considering a world class coach when we got him in, he still is not considered a world class coach now. Every manager is available if they want to leave, most managers would jump at a chance to manage us & what profile are you talking about exactly? It's not worth it? What getting the very best out of the current squad? Playing a better brand of football? Getting the excitement back into Anfield and the fanbase? Challenging for the league? It's worth it if the board feels someone else can come in and do a better job, simple as that and i'm sure they are doing their due diligence behind the scenes. Nothing is guaranteed & imo Slot should be commended for the league win even if people will say it was Klopps team... he still got us over the line & tweaked certain things which he should absolutely get credit for and he has but we are where we are this season and we can't ignore that.

The problem this season seems to be that he's tried to put his own stamp on the side and it just hasn't worked results wise and performance wise it has been ****ing awful. You could argue that Jotas passing had a big affect on the lads, that Slot has been unlucky with injuries & certain transfers have taken time to bed in but Jota aside apply that to every manager but one thing you can't argue that we have been utterly dismal to watch all season & even back to March 2025. The defending champs, world class players everywhere plus 400m spending in the summer and not only are we 20 points behind Arsenal, our performances are some of the worst LFC has seen since Hodgson. Can you name on one hand the really good performances we've put in this season? You'd struggle. Of course it is risky to change a manager but also sometimes it is necessary. I am sure we'd rather not but we might have to with what is at stake. IMO Slot is gone at the end of the season & short of a catastrophic break down, it will be in the summer. I don't think that will happen, I think it will be win, lose, win, draw kinda thing and maybe we get that champs league spot & maybe we do something in the cups but we really haven't shown we are capable or deserving since about a year ago.

With all due respect him being a decent man, that means **** all if they job is not getting done right. This is elite level sport with no room for sentiment unfortunately. I'm sure he's a lively bloke but at the end of the day, he like any other manager will be judged on results and performances. If the balance in not right in the squad who's fault is that? Hughes? Slot? Hughes & Slot? If the team are not performing, who's fault is that? If the tactics are not working, who's fault is that? If the results aren't good who's fault is that? If the performances are poor who's fault is that? If we are easy to play against, who's fault is that?

Hopefully he can get us over the line into the champs league spots & maybe be some miracle we'll see a good cup run.

OK. You make quite a few points here. In order to address them with the respect they deserve I am going to share my thoughts on them, right or wrong though they may be, one at a time.

Slot wasn't considering a world class coach when we got him in, he still is not considered a world class coach now. Every manager is available if they want to leave, most managers would jump at a chance to manage us & what profile are you talking about exactly?

Anyone of us might not consider Slot to be world class in our personal opinion but his track record at Feyenoord proved him to be among the best young coaches not already at a mega club. He showed world class standing by winning the hardest league in the world at the first attempt. That is a high bar by anyone's standards to surpass. The profile I'm talking about is someone who can operate within our structure and brings a pattern of play that us as fans will appreciate and lends itself to success in English football. He has proven capable of achieving that.

I note you still haven't offered a name to replace Slot. When you add it all up, a truly better alternative isn't that easy to identify.

It's not worth it? What getting the very best out of the current squad? Playing a better brand of football? Getting the excitement back into Anfield and the fanbase? Challenging for the league? It's worth it if the board feels someone else can come in and do a better job, simple as that and i'm sure they are doing their due diligence behind the scenes.

There seems to be some confusion here about what I wrote. It is, of course, my desire to see the outcomes you describe. I imagine we would all agree on that. It reads like you're interpreting "It's just not worth it" as I'm not that bothered about us improving or being the best LFC we can be. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm simply stating that sacking the coach isn't the right way to achieve those outcomes as the issues holding us back this season aren't fundamentally his doing. Any new manager would be faced with the same set of problems and only a couple might tackle them marginally better than Slot has. This is because the bar has been set so high. There would then be serious risks in making that change as, not only might the appointment not work out, the squad would otherwise see themselves as more divorced from their responsibility for our outcomes. All for a very marginal chance at a marginal improvement. I do not want to see us go down that path. I'm not saying "It's just not worth it" for us to change the manager, if that's what it takes to fix our problems. I'm saying "It's just not worth it" in terms of risk and potential reward, given all the factors above.

The problem this season seems to be that he's tried to put his own stamp on the side and it just hasn't worked results wise and performance wise it has been ****ing awful. You could argue that Jotas passing had a big affect on the lads, that Slot has been unlucky with injuries & certain transfers have taken time to bed in but Jota aside apply that to every manager but one thing you can't argue that we have been utterly dismal to watch all season & even back to March 2025. The defending champs, world class players everywhere plus 400m spending in the summer and not only are we 20 points behind Arsenal, our performances are some of the worst LFC has seen since Hodgson. Can you name on one hand the really good performances we've put in this season? You'd struggle.

I'm only going to address the bit in bold here as the rest seems to be an articulation of how you see our problems this season, and we all agree it has not been good enough.

I would just say that all the evidence points to him being a highly pragmatic coach that does the best with what he has available to him and tends to find a way to overcome his opposition. He has changed formation, approach and line ups multiple times, from game to game and in game, to great effect. Particularly last season when the squad was much better balanced. This season it isn't and, as a result, he's been faced with fewer viable options each game. The idea that he is dogmatically sticking to some formula of Slot-ball, when the squad could do so much more and he is ignoring that potential, doesn't seem compelling to me. There are a couple of his decisions that cause me much frustration but even I am forced to admit that those decisions are largely forced on him due to the state of the squad. It really is a problem. The biggest one for me is playing Gakpo and Salah in the same starting line up when it obviously doesn't work. This drives me mad. But when your alternatives are either injured (Frimpong, Wirtz), not good enough (Chiesa) or in need of protection as they are too young (Rio), it becomes understandable.

With all due respect him being a decent man, that means **** all if they job is not getting done right. This is elite level sport with no room for sentiment unfortunately.

You are probably correct with respect to decency meaning nothing and the urge to be ruthless in elite sport. That ruthlessness is misplaced here however, as the coach isn't the problem. I call out his decency because I like that in him, I value it, and because the opposite can also be true. And I think that would be a good reason to sack a coach.

If the balance in not right in the squad who's fault is that? Hughes? Slot? Hughes & Slot?

Hughes and Edwards are responsible for squad building, as I understand it. I suspect the whole management team and ownership are on-board for a multi-year rebuild. I don't think they should all get the sack. Yet.

If the team are not performing, who's fault is that? If the tactics are not working, who's fault is that? If the results aren't good who's fault is that? If the performances are poor who's fault is that? If we are easy to play against, who's fault is that?

It's a bit too easy to do what you're doing. If Ibou has an inexplicable moment and gives the opposition a last minute winner, who's fault is that? Not the coach's, I'd say. If he does it 5 times and still gets picked? It's the coach's responsibility IF the squad offers him something better to pick from. Who's responsibility is it if the squad is lacking those option? Not the coach's. At least, not specifically and not enough to warrant getting the sack. The same applies to Grav, Salah, Gakpo, etc. The squad needs serious work, there's no getting around that.

Look, I'm humble enough to acknowledge I could be wrong on all of this. Behind the scenes, he might really be stinking the place out, I just don't know. But I'm too honest to jump into a pile on when the evidence before my eyes is telling me it would be wrong to do so. You may see this completely differently to me and, in the fullness of time, you might be proven correct. As things stand the evidence doesn't back that up. I suspect we will only know for certain after the first couple of months of next season. I'm prepared to grit my teeth and hope for the best until then, even though I'd rather be watching champagne football every week (NB nobody is watching champagne football in the prem this year).

[danperkins]

A lot of fair points there, some though I would definitely push back on if you don't mind.

Anyone of us might not consider Slot to be world class in our personal opinion but his track record at Feyenoord proved him to be among the best young coaches not already at a mega club. He showed world class standing by winning the hardest league in the world at the first attempt. That is a high bar by anyone's standards to surpass. The profile I'm talking about is someone who can operate within our structure and brings a pattern of play that us as fans will appreciate and lends itself to success in English football. He has proven capable of achieving that.

I note you still haven't offered a name to replace Slot. When you add it all up, a truly better alternative isn't that easy to identify.

The reason I haven't offered an alternative is because I was under the impression it was obvious who everyone wants.. which is Alonso, done amazing at Lever, nostalgic, beloved by the fanbase. My preferred option of Enrique who is genuinely a world class manager, maybe City bound who knows. You could also throw Inzaghi in there as well. The board will make a decision which they feel is best for the club. Slot was brought in as a safe option after losing a legend, most people didn't even know who Slot was, lets be honest. I've said multiple times, Slot deserves credit for winning the league and the tweaks he made, it is an incredible achievement and even if things go tits up for him here, his time will be looked at as a success. I would consider myself a lot more charitable than most on here when it comes to Slot but also I can't ignore the reality of this season either with him putting his own stamp on the team.

Anyone of us might not consider Slot to be world class in our personal opinion but his track record at Feyenoord proved him to be among the best young coaches not already at a mega club. He showed world class standing by winning the hardest league in the world at the first attempt. That is a high bar by anyone's standards to surpass. The profile I'm talking about is someone who can operate within our structure and brings a pattern of play that us as fans will appreciate and lends itself to success in English football. He has proven capable of achieving that.

I note you still haven't offered a name to replace Slot. When you add it all up, a truly better alternative isn't that easy to identify.

Do you consider Ranieri a world class manager because he won the league? What about if Arteta if he wins the league? You get what I'm saying here, I don't consider either anywhere near top class let alone world class. Here's the thing though, the actual fans aren't appreciating the style of football or patterns of play this season & if we are honest right back to a year ago now. Forget what I'm saying, listen to most of our entire fanbase, other teams fans, pundits, commentators etc they are all saying the same thing that this season we are dreadful to watch. We have no identity, no style of play, in fact the only pattern I see is panic and chaos when we are behind or need a result which has often left us exposed at the back this season in multiple games. Again, forget what I'm saying.. most people on here are saying the exact same thing mate. We do have some incredible players though, loads in fact and that's why we are still in with a fighting chance for 4th spot... well that and the fact for the premier league is at an all time low. Last season, although we won it, imo the rot had already set in too and the standard was poor too.

There seems to be some confusion here about what I wrote. It is, of course, my desire to see the outcomes you describe. I imagine we would all agree on that. It reads like you're interpreting "It's just not worth it" as I'm not that bothered about us improving or being the best LFC we can be. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm simply stating that sacking the coach isn't the right way to achieve those outcomes as the issues holding us back this season aren't fundamentally his doing. Any new manager would be faced with the same set of problems and only a couple might tackle them marginally better than Slot has. This is because the bar has been set so high. There would then be serious risks in making that change as, not only might the appointment not work out, the squad would otherwise see themselves as more divorced from their responsibility for our outcomes. All for a very marginal chance at a marginal improvement. I do not want to see us go down that path. I'm not saying "It's just not worth it" for us to change the manager, if that's what it takes to fix our problems. I'm saying "It's just not worth it" in terms of risk and potential reward, given all the factors above.

No confusion at all mate, sometimes sacking is not what a club needs but also sometimes it is exactly what a club needs. Sure currently Manchester United much improved after sacking Amorim, look at Madrid without Alonso now, Villas-Boas and Di Matteo came in winning the treble, Lampard and Tuchel comes in a wins Champs League, Madrid sack Rafa and Zidane comes in and cleans up, Munich sack Nagelsman and Tuchel comes in wins the league, Rijkaard gets sacked and pep comes in after managing the B team.. rest is history There are so many more examples when clubs do make the right decisions by making a change. Unfortunately we won't know until it happens, of course no club wants to have to do it but sometimes it is necessary. The board will decide that based on all the information they have at their disposal & we have to trust they will make the right call.

I would just say that all the evidence points to him being a highly pragmatic coach that does the best with what he has available to him and tends to find a way to overcome his opposition. He has changed formation, approach and line ups multiple times, from game to game and in game, to great effect. Particularly last season when the squad was much better balanced. This season it isn't and, as a result, he's been faced with fewer viable options each game. The idea that he is dogmatically sticking to some formula of Slot-ball, when the squad could do so much more and he is ignoring that potential, doesn't seem compelling to me. There are a couple of his decisions that cause me much frustration but even I am forced to admit that those decisions are largely forced on him due to the state of the squad. It really is a problem. The biggest one for me is playing Gakpo and Salah in the same starting line up when it obviously doesn't work. This drives me mad. But when your alternatives are either injured (Frimpong, Wirtz), not good enough (Chiesa) or in need of protection as they are too young (Rio), it becomes understandable.

Here's the big issue for me, we are 19 points behind the league leaders who are not even that good, that suggests he hasn't overcame opposition. Forget even the results, look at the performances, my god like. Sure injuries, bad luck, Jota etc factor in especially the injuries at RB but if we are honest, he has pretty much ignored several options even when they were avilable to him. Slot has shown that he clearly does not trust Chiesa, Endo and most of our youth all season. When you keep playing the same under performing players, imo it sends a very bad message to the likes of Cheisa, Endo, Rio, Ramsey etc who are desperately trying to break into the starting 11. Take Chiesa, whatever you think of him, look at the attitude and hard work he brings into the team when he gets his token 5 mins a game... it says alot about his character imo and sometimes guys like that can move the needle and get a team going. Again, it's not just results, it's the performances and the glaring lack of pace, passion and physicality. Someone needs to explain to me why we have had 2 GK's on the bench, instead of another outfield option? I just don't get it.

You are probably correct with respect to decency meaning nothing and the urge to be ruthless in elite sport. That ruthlessness is misplaced here however, as the coach isn't the problem. I call out his decency because I like that in him, I value it, and because the opposite can also be true. And I think that would be a good reason to sack a coach.

Look it's always nice to have a decent skin in charge but he also has to be a serial winner too, otherwise what's the point. To be a serial winner, you have to have a ruthless streak. This is after all elite level sport, guys like Klopp who have the mix of both, do not come around often.

Hughes and Edwards are responsible for squad building, as I understand it. I suspect the whole management team and ownership are on-board for a multi-year rebuild. I don't think they should all get the sack. Yet. It's a bit too easy to do what you're doing. If Ibou has an inexplicable moment and gives the opposition a last minute winner, who's fault is that? Not the coach's, I'd say. If he does it 5 times and still gets picked? It's the coach's responsibility IF the squad offers him something better to pick from. Who's responsibility is it if the squad is lacking those option? Not the coach's. At least, not specifically and not enough to warrant getting the sack. The same applies to Grav, Salah, Gakpo, etc. The squad needs serious work, there's no getting around that.

Look, I'm humble enough to acknowledge I could be wrong on all of this. Behind the scenes, he might really be stinking the place out, I just don't know. But I'm too honest to jump into a pile on when the evidence before my eyes is telling me it would be wrong to do so. You may see this completely differently to me and, in the fullness of time, you might be proven correct. As things stand the evidence doesn't back that up. I suspect we will only know for certain after the first couple of months of next season. I'm prepared to grit my teeth and hope for the best until then, even though I'd rather be watching champagne football every week (NB nobody is watching champagne football in the prem this year).

Sure we can all be wrong, I've been wrong many a time on here but we are just chatting here ya know & to me this seems the general consensus throughout our fanbase all the things i am saying. You are right, the squad does need serious looking at & individual errors do happen... I'm ok with that **** happens. Injuries happen and sometimes managers have to do what they have to do to get through it sometimes it works, other times it doesn't, I'm also ok with that. Not utlilizing all of the players at your disposal, likes of Chiesa, Endo, Rio, Ramsey but yet putting 2 Gk's on the bench instead of an outfield option, now that seems very bizarre to me. That to me screams bad man management as well as stubbornness and not being able to pivot or change course and have a plan b and c. Nobody is pretending the above players are world beaters but they have shown that they can do a job. You just said it there yourself as many have, Mo and Gakpo in the same side is just not something this team can handle, so why do it, over and over and over again when there are actually some options. We have seen at the very least Chiesa coming on and working hard, being positive, Endo getting stuck in as an actual DM and helping the the defence keep tight, Rio actually dribbling by players and giving us width. It worries me what kind of message does it send out to these lads when it doesn't matter how **** likes of Mo, Gakpo, Mac etc play, that most likely they are going to start regardless of merit or how hard you put in a shift in training.... it must like what's the ****ing point. Lets take Ramsey for example, we have been decimated at the RB position, ok Ramsey isn't Cafu but he can do a job and he is at the very least a RB, nope lets play our best player there in Szob and then lose absolutely everything he gives in that midfield which imo is the main area of our woes. I get that it comes across as fantasy football manager keyboard ****e but also this has been said by ex pros, pundits, commentary and most LFC fans all season long.

Anyways, sorry everyone, I bet this reads like a ****ing novel on a mobile phone.. I didn't want to be rude an not reply to each point & you have alot of great points. Let's go out and smash these Spurs cunts

[Sus]

Where’s the AI summary on that? Like one of the Athletic articles I post

[SB]

Where’s the AI summary on that? Like one of the Athletic articles I post

AI : Dan said fair points but he disagrees

[Buzzo]

Where’s the AI summary on that? Like one of the Athletic articles I post

Two fans debate whether Arne Slot should remain Liverpool manager. One argues Slot has already proven his quality—winning the Premier League and working within the club’s structure—and that the real problem is an imbalanced squad, not the coach. The other believes Liverpool’s performances and style have been poor, that Slot’s selections and lack of rotation are questionable, and that a managerial change can sometimes spark success. Both agree the squad needs rebuilding and that the club’s board will ultimately decide the manager’s future.

[Fierce]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading both of your long, measured posts

I keep wavering. I don't know if I want him gone or not. I just know that I genuinely dislike watching us this season, but I'm not 100% certain that its Slot's fault

I do think playing Salah and Gakpo IS Slot's fault but what is the alternative?

[BigChief]

I do think playing Salah and Gakpo IS Slot's fault but what is the alternative?

Not playing them.

[Slinky Skills]

Not playing them.

[labourRed]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading both of your long, measured posts

I keep wavering. I don't know if I want him gone or not. I just know that I genuinely dislike watching us this season, but I'm not 100% certain that its Slot's fault

I do think playing Salah and Gakpo IS Slot's fault but what is the alternative?

Rio or Frimpong.

[danperkins]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading both of your long, measured posts

I keep wavering. I don't know if I want him gone or not. I just know that I genuinely dislike watching us this season, but I'm not 100% certain that its Slot's fault

I do think playing Salah and Gakpo IS Slot's fault but what is the alternative?

I think the biggest thing for me is that, if we are playing for a majority of games this season I'm half on my phone because we are so boring to watch & if we lose a game, I'm not all that bothered a lot of the times. I suppose that's not a good sign

[RichC]

P45 please.

[The_weatherman]

Pretty please

[Rich]

I think the biggest thing for me is that, if we are playing for a majority of games this season I'm half on my phone because we are so boring to watch & if we lose a game, I'm not all that bothered a lot of the times. I suppose that's not a good sign

Played Royal Match for most of the game. And that’s a ****e app.

[baitman]

[Buzzo]

How many games in a row do we need to be ****e for?