Doyler

[Craig_H]

That's the problem though, we've seen far too much 'potential' come to LFC and fall by the wayside. No more please.

[lfc4ever]

Potential is always worth a gamble, the returns can be huge, and you only need 1 every other year to make it worthwhile, same with the youth system.

[Craig_H]

Potential is always worth a gamble, the returns can be huge, and you only need 1 every other year to make it worthwhile, same with the youth system.

I think we've gambled far too much on potential.

If you're talking about £1m-£2m then fair enough. We aint in this case though are we?

[Morph]

How much do you think he'd cost? Reading aint struggling paupers, they wont be selling him for a couple of million...

Think things through, indeed...

I was more talking about before he moved to Reading, or while reading were still in the Championship. however I still don't think he'd command a massive fee.

[Red_Al_77]

Liverpool are not in a position whereby they can experiment with players. We cannot afford any more mistakes. We need proven talent now. Players that can come in and command a first team place on a proven reputation....not players who are flavour of the month. If we were top of the league and cruising it then maybe he'd be worth a punt, but not now.

Our problems are not strikers anyway, its our wingers and their inability to beat their man and get over decent crosses that is the problem.

[Craig_H]

I was more talking about before he moved to Reading, or while reading were still in the Championship. however I still don't think he'd command a massive fee.

They'd be looking at nothing less than £4m or £5m mate, let's be realistic. Why WOULD they sell him cheap? He's their top scorer and they're not struggling for cash. It doesnt make sense that he'd go for peanuts.

£5m isnt huge, but in our current financial position, we dont have it just lying around burning holes in our pockets, let's be honest.

[Craig_H]

Liverpool are not in a position whereby they can experiment with players. We cannot afford any more mistakes. We need proven talent now. Players that can come in and command a first team place on a proven reputation....not players who are flavour of the month. If we were top of the league and cruising it then maybe he'd be worth a punt, but not now.

Our problems are not strikers anyway, its our wingers and their inability to beat their man and get over decent crosses that is the problem.

Nail on the head.

[Morph]

Liverpool are not in a position whereby they can experiment with players. We cannot afford any more mistakes. We need proven talent now. Players that can come in and command a first team place on a proven reputation....not players who are flavour of the month. If we were top of the league and cruising it then maybe he'd be worth a punt, but not now.

Our problems are not strikers anyway, its our wingers and their inability to beat their man and get over decent crosses that is the problem.

Thing is even signing proven talent, unless they are from the prem anyway is always a gamble, Morrientes, Veron etc for example.

So there's always a gamble in every signing, it just depends on how big Rafa rates the gamble. Would many complain if Bellamy left and this lad came in?

[Rosco]

He hasnt proven himeslf to be good enough to play for us.

Fact is, you wouldnt be saying a word about him if he wasnt Irish. Admit it.

Complete and utter bollox.

The majority of the players Rafa has signed didn't show they were good enough to play for us, so that wouldn't really preclude him from being considered.

The reason I'm talking about him is because he's shown himself capable at every level he's been given a chance at. I know a bit more about him naturally because he's Irish.

I'd love to have heard your view on the signing of John Aldridge from Oxford
all those years ago. He wasn't "LFC class" either was he ?

For what it's worth I think "LFC class" is a bit of a fallacy. It's one of those cliched remarks that can be used while it has little or no real meaning.

[Craig_H]

You dont feel that there's a certain level of quality we should be looking at as being a minimum, when looking at potential signings?

[Rosco]

You dont feel that there's a certain level of quality we should be looking at as being a minimum, when looking at potential signings?

What has that got to do with the price of milk ?

[Craig_H]

You described the notion of 'LFC class' as being a 'fallacy'...so my question is clearly linked to that. Why you're trying to dodge it, i'm not sure.

[Rosco]

You described the notion of 'LFC class' as being a 'fallacy'...so my question is clearly linked to that. Why you're trying to dodge it, i'm not sure.

Cut out the smart arse stuff for a start Syd, consider yourself lucky I've even bothered replying to you. You haven't addressed any point I've made above or answer the question that was put to you.

The notion of LFC class has been completely dismantled over the past 15 years. We hold up this lofty ideal of days gone by but not one of our last four managers have paid any creedence to it as evidenced by the signings of the likes of Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Stig Inge Bjornebye, Mark Kennedy,Bjørn Tore Kvarme,Sean Dundee, Ferri , Kippe, Diomede, Biscan, Xavier, Cheyrou, Diao, Nunez, Josemi, Pellegrino, Crouch, Pennant, Bellamy .... and that's not even all of them.

What do the fans think of the notion of LFC class ? Well if the only recent poll is to be used as evidence ..... Eirik Meijer is LFC class.

And if your telling me that a striker scoring 1 goal every two 2 games sin't worthy of consideration well that raises a whole host of other questions.

[Marky]

Complete and utter bollox.

The majority of the players Rafa has signed didn't show they were good enough to play for us, so that wouldn't really preclude him from being considered.

The reason I'm talking about him is because he's shown himself capable at every level he's been given a chance at. I know a bit more about him naturally because he's Irish.

I'd love to have heard your view on the signing of John Aldridge from Oxford
all those years ago. He wasn't "LFC class" either was he ?

For what it's worth I think "LFC class" is a bit of a fallacy. It's one of those cliched remarks that can be used while it has little or no real meaning.

Nail on head Ross, gets on my tits when people 'not LFC class' i mean why the fcuk not?
It's just a throwaway, cliche comment, i mean we haven't ****ing won the Premiership, EVER and yet people blether on about not LFC class and all the rest.
Get realistic folks, we're in no position to buy the Torres's, Villa's of this world because
1. Don't have the finances to do so
2. We don't have the Titles to make us appealing to the top of the range players out there ala Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U.

[Bob]

What a cack thread this has turned into. Ok first of all, LFC class... Is a player who can live at a big club and the responsibility added media attention brings. Have the technical ability and intelligence to cut it on the European stage, while also having fundamental skills such as finishing, passing, athleticism and pace to set him apart from the mediocre. He's a decent finisher, but its a big step up from the likes of Reading to Liverpool. And, personally i don't think the lad has what it takes.

Its relative of course. So ultimately you have to compare him to the incumbent strikers. Could the signing of Doyle improve on Crouch, Kuyt, Bellamy etc. Do i even have to bother answering that...

Naturally its the Irish that are lavishing praise on him. Fair dos, but take the green-tinted spectacles off and see him for what he is, and that's an average player with a good eye for goal. LFC no effing way, not with at least two years of radical improvement under his belt.