Jamie Carragher

[Craig_H]

About how we're 'worse with him in the side', how we 'have a negative goal difference with him in the side', how we're 'better without him playing' etc etc.

The facts and statistics prove all of the above comprehensively wrong....

This seasons stats...

With Carra:

Played 22 Won 10 Drawn 6 Lost 6 Goals For 29 Goals Against 22 GD +7
Win percentage: 45%
Loss percentage 27%
Positive GD

Without Carra:

Played 12 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 5 Goals For 15 Goals Against 16 GD -1
Win percentage: 25%
Loss percentage: 41%
Negative GD

So in future, those wishing to claim that he is a liability who we are better off without, can clearly see this is just incorrect. The FACT is, that we win more when he plays and we lose more when he doesnt.

If they wish to argue that we'd be better off signing a quality CB and putting him in the side instead of Carragher - that may well be a valid point. But that's not what i have seen them saying.

That is all.

[Kenneth]

About how we're 'worse with him in the side', how we 'have a negative goal difference with him in the side', how we're 'better without him playing' etc etc.

The facts and statistics prove all of the above comprehensively wrong....

This seasons stats...

With Carra:

Played 22 Won 10 Drawn 6 Lost 6 Goals For 29 Goals Against 22 GD +7
Win percentage: 45%#
Loss percentage 27%
Positive GD

Without Carra:

Played 12 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 5 Goals For 15 Goals Against 16 GD -1
Win percentage: 25%
Loss percentage: 41%
Negative GD

So in future, those wishing to claim that he is a liability who we are better off without, can clearly see this is just incorrect. The FACT is, that we win more when he plays and we lose more when he doesnt.

If they wish to argue that we'd be better off signing a quality CB and putting him in the side instead of Carragher - that may well be a valid point. But that's not what i have seen them saying.

That is all.

It's just coincidence.

[Craig_H]

[Vermilion]

So this is for half a season only, was this the argument/accusation, that he's now past it, but he's only been past it this season ?

Is that what your refering to as 'the Carra myth' Craig ? I've not taken much notice of what's been said about him tbh.

[Shaggy]

Doesn't mean we can't do better though. Ideally he'd be a squad player for me. Need a top class CB.

[Drago]

Doesn't take a genius to work out most people problem with Carra, and it's nothing to do with football ability.

He is on the slide and he does need replaced but he's definitely one of our first choice centre backs right now.

[Craig_H]

So this is for half a season only, was this the argument/accusation, that he's now past it, but he's only been past it this season ?

Certain posters who shall remain nameless, have peddled this nonsense that we have been worse with him in the side, than we have without.

Whether he is 'past it' or not, is debatable, for sure.

But of the players we have now, we do far better when he plays.

[Craig_H]

Doesn't mean we can't do better though. Ideally he'd be a squad player for me. Need a top class CB.

For sure, i agree with that.

But of those that we have, he warrants his place in the team and we certainly do better when he plays.

I sense you're moving over to the dark side, where Carra's concerned

[ronniedrew]

At the game today , it's clear there is no organisation without him in the side


We will be a lot better with him back and might have taken 6 points from the last 2 games

[Vermilion]

Certain posters who shall remain nameless, have peddled this nonsense that we have been worse with him in the side, than we have without.

Whether he is 'past it' or not, is debatable, for sure.

But of the players we have now, we do far better when he plays.

I see.

Definately missing his organisation and motivational qualities just now.

[Shaggy]

For sure, i agree with that.

But of those that we have, he warrants his place in the team and we certainly do better when he plays.

I sense you're moving over to the dark side, where Carra's concerned

The contract sham left a real sour taste, I think he's past his best and no longer good enough for where we want to be, and I worry that it will take a manager with big bollocks to leave him out.

[Craig_H]

The contract sham left a real sour taste, I think he's past his best and no longer good enough for where we want to be, and I worry that it will take a manager with big bollocks to leave him out.

I agree he is past his best. But even his 'sub-best' is currently the best partner for Agger.

It depends on what circumstances you would want him left out. With the squad we have, i dont see the scenario that says he should be dropped.

If we sign a quality aggressive CB, then yeah, for sure he becomes a squad player and not an automatic 1st teamer.

[Fivex]

He's still an important player but he's not untouchable any more - is i think what people are trying to say. Short term plan yes but medium term solution no. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect to get a big name in by the end of Aug imo.

[TheElephantMan]

I thought he'd become a bit of a liability, but I've realised that we're much weaker without him in the side. The sooner he returns the better.

[Shaggy]

I agree he is past his best. But even his 'sub-best' is currently the best partner for Agger.

It depends on what circumstances you would want him left out. With the squad we have, i dont see the scenario that says he should be dropped.

If we sign a quality aggressive CB, then yeah, for sure he becomes a squad player and not an automatic 1st teamer.

Yeah at the moment I'd have him and Agger, but as I said I'd love to see a quality CB come in. Who though is another matter.