Jamie Carragher

[Fredo]

I'm not sure what happened to Skrtel though. He looked excellent in his first year under Rafa.

[Craig_H]

Confidence, young soldier.

[Arn]

Carra isn't top four quality. We and Chelsea have the same problem. How to replace a legend. They need to replace Terry and we Carra.

It is not something you just go out and do because of the influence they have off the pitch. You need a strong manager and a board that backs the manager 100% to do that.

We need more complete central defenders or else the opposition will just use the weakness they have against us.

If Carra plays, stress him. If Kyrgiakos plays, stress him and play the ball on the ground. If Skrtel plays, use his weakness on dead ball situations against him. Agger is our only "complete" central defender.

Craig, you do know that we finished second 08/09 when Torres and Gerrard only played together 22 times. If we go by your logic then we shouldn't play them together. We played our best season the last 20 years when our so called super combination of Torres and Gerrard didn't play that much together.

Statistics doesn't prove everything.

[Craig_H]

Carra isn't top four quality. We and Chelsea have the same problem. How to replace a legend. They need to replace Terry and we Carra.

It is not something you just go out and do because of the influence they have off the pitch. You need a strong manager and a board that backs the manager 100% to do that.

We need more complete central defenders or else the opposition will just use the weakness they have against us.

If Carra plays, stress him. If Kyrgiakos plays, stress him and play the ball on the ground. If Skrtel plays, use his weakness on dead ball situations against him. Agger is our only "complete" central defender.

Craig, you do know that we finished second 08/09 when Torres and Gerrard only played together 22 times. If we go by your logic then we shouldn't play them together. We played our best season the last 20 years when our so called super combination of Torres and Gerrard didn't play that much together.

Statistics doesn't prove everything.

Shut up with your loony nonsense ****e mate.

I should have put a 'Arn cant post' rule on this thread

The stats PROVE that we do better with Carragher than we do without. Fact.

[DannyMan2006]

What are the stats for the league games?

I agree Carra should start (with Agger) but I don't remember us being much better with him in the side. Hence people were moaning about him.

[Baracus]

When's Carragher back?

[Fivex]

What are the stats for the league games?

In fairness i'd like to see stats for all the permutations of our CMs.

[Arn]

Shut up with your loony nonsense ****e mate.

I should have put a 'Arn cant post' rule on this thread

The stats PROVE that we do better with Carragher than we do without. Fact.

Maybe you should have put a "you are free to post your opinion about Carra as long as it the same as mine" rule on this thread.

Carra is simply not good enough. He was that two three years ago.

You must also look at what kind of system you want us to play. If you want us to play a high pressing game with a high defensive line then Carra would struggle. If you want us to play like we did with Roy then it would suit him much better.

Attacking game....No Carra.

[Craig_H]

Maybe you should have put a "you are free to post your opinion about Carra as long as it the same as mine" rule on this thread.

Carra is simply not good enough. He was that two three years ago.

You must also look at what kind of system you want us to play. If you want us to play a high pressing game with a high defensive line then Carra would struggle. If you want us to play like we did with Roy then it would suit him much better.

Attacking game....No Carra.

I'm not talking about ifs and buts, and i'm not talking about 'opinions' here - it is factually proven this season that when Carra plays, we win more.

FACT Arn. Not opinion.

[Arn]

I'm not talking about ifs and buts, and i'm not talking about 'opinions' here - it is factually proven this season that when Carra plays, we win more.

FACT Arn. Not opinion.

And why did we do that? The answer is that we played a very defensive game. A game that suited him perfectly.

If you want us to change and play a more attacking game then you also need central defenders that will be able to pass the ball out of a tight and pressured situation. Carra is very good DEFENSIVE central defender but a very average attacking central defender.

[Craig_H]

And why did we do that? The answer is that we played a very defensive game. A game that suited him perfectly.

If you want us to change and play a more attacking game then you also need central defenders that will be able to pass the ball out of a tight and pressured situation. Carra is very good DEFENSIVE central defender but a very average attacking central defender.

Yeah, having a defensive central defender's mental isnt it?

Maybe the ideal balance is one of each? Just a thought....

[Rich]

Wonder how many games Agger and Krygiakos have played together. I'd give them a go. Skrtel needs resting.

[Reece]

Didn't Ayala come back from loan due to injury? He did will at Hull by all accounts. I wonder if he'll get a chance eventually.

[Rich]

I read Hull want him back. Might be worth a go!

[Reece]

From Le Beeb

Hull City await next move on Liverpool youngster Ayala

Daniel Ayala scored his only goal for Hull City against Derby in September
Hull City are still to find out whether Liverpool's young Spanish defender Daniel Ayala will be allowed to return on loan to the KC Stadium this season.
Ayala, 20, went back to Anfield with a hamstring injury in December, amidst claims by then Reds boss Roy Hodgson that Hull had mismanaged the problem.
But Tigers boss Nigel Pearson told BBC Radio Humberside: "I'm not going to get involved in that conversation now.
"He's a player we enjoyed having here, but we'll have to wait and see."
Ayala signed for Liverpool in 2008, but found first team opportunities limited under both Hodgson and previous manager Rafa Benitez, making just two league starts.
He joined Hull in September 2010, making a total of 12 appearances, during which time the Tigers shipped just 13 goals, one of the tightest defensive records in the Championship.
Ayala is not expected to be fit now until mid-February after picking up his hamstring problem in November.