Jamie Carragher

[Tee]

Torres

[Red_Polo]

I never said Gerrard was a utility player. I said Carragher was used more as a utility player than an outright centre CB under Houllier, which he demonstrably was. I'm not interested in arguing over the intricacies of what a utility player is or isn't.

Here's the bottom line; Carragher continued to be used in several positions right up until Houllier's final game. Under Rafa he a dedicated CB from day one until retirement. Thats not my opinion, thats a fact. If you really find that demeaning then thats up to you.

I don't remember saying I found it demeaning that under Rafa he was a dedicated CB until his retirement, but do feel free to get upset about things I haven't said

What I'm saying is 'utility player' has negative connotations, because whilst it's just semantics it implies jack of all trades master of none. In reality he was a first choice player who happened to be versatile and have his role change over the years, much like Gerrard's has. I don't think that's a particularly difficult distinction to be able to understand!

[Carra quote snipped]

From the horse's mouth.

[elrichio86]

Torres

Degen

[Tee]

Wonder what Arbeloa would say? Did Xabi not tweet anything either?

[Kenneth]

In your face LDH.

[little dave hedgehog]

[meffin]

Surely a quote from Sander Westerveld could have been squeezed in

[Rowan]

I loved the fact that it said "some of the biggest names in the game" then proceeded to supply quotes from Joe Allen, Brad Jones and Downing

[ashey]

It feels weird looking at the squad list on the offal, & not seeing Carra there...

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/first-team

[Fernandinho]

I hope a young lad from the academy who plays in defence chooses the number. The legend of #23 will live on

[Mark79]

I don't remember saying I found it demeaning that under Rafa he was a dedicated CB until his retirement, but do feel free to get upset about things I haven't said

What I'm saying is 'utility player' has negative connotations, because whilst it's just semantics it implies jack of all trades master of none. In reality he was a first choice player who happened to be versatile and have his role change over the years, much like Gerrard's has. I don't think that's a particularly difficult distinction to be able to understand!



From the horse's mouth.

Me upset? You're the one who thinks Carragher (and apparently Gerrard too!) has been degraded somehow!

OK, my use of 'like a utility player' was largely incidental in regards to the original opinion I expressed. But since you seem to have gotten ever so slightly hung up on it (and I see JC himself take exception to it also), lets see if we can come to some sort of resolution.

So let's agree that he wasn't ever a utility player in any way.
He was, in fact, an extremely versatile, flexible and adaptable 1st team player who, with varying degrees of regularity, was used in a variety of positions - which is of course in no way anything like what a utility player is, at all - before emphatically and finally establishing himself as a centre back.

Yes, I have grasped your distinction, thank you. I just don't happen to think it is an especially important one in relation to the simple point I was trying to make in the first place.

[Red_Polo]

He's not 'hung up on it' just because he's got an opinion on it, same goes for me. I think I said about ten posts ago it was all semantics anyway and you felt the need to continue. Shrug. End.

[Mark79]

I didn't say he was hung up on it, I said you were. And I said about 10 posts ago that I wasn't interested in the semantics but you kept hammering on about it while overlooking the crux of my original post.

Anyhow, as you say. End.

[mulvokop]

did I hear right Jamie said he retired when he got offered job on sky(just said it on fantasy football) !!!


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[red evil kenevil]

Thanks carra you apitomise what are beloved team means to all liverpool fans all over the world, u will be missed