Brendan Rodgers

[Fan65]

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I see he didn't mention losing the FA cup semi final, sometimes I wonder if his hearts in the right place.

[Muddled]

Bloody Sakho! It was he and Skrtel in the middle last season when we conceded 6 at Stoke!

Yes there were other problems that contributed to that result, but feck me, he's not the missing magic ingredient, in fact he's extremely bloody average, not the quality we need to improve at all.

I've tried hard to erase that game from my mind, but I'm pretty sure Can had an absolute 'mare and the entire team just folded. Picking one game where we got hammered doesn't disprove Sakho's ability.

[danperkins]

Can had an absolute shocker alright but yeah we were hideous that day all round. Sakho is a better CB than Lovren... it's a very strange situation & I can't really see Sakho wanting to stay if this keeps up. You wouldn't blame him either.

I like Sakho, although don't rate him as high as others yet... but it's very clear that Rodgers doesn't seem to rate him. The fact that he is persisting with Lovren after the amount of errors and goals he cost us last season... clearly shows he has very little faith in Sakho. The Skrtel/Sakho partnership was really looking good last season & is our best option IMO.

[Fredo]

Can had an absolute shocker alright but yeah we were hideous that day all round. Sakho is a better CB than Lovren... it's a very strange situation & I can't really see Sakho wanting to stay if this keeps up. You wouldn't blame him either.

I like Sakho, although don't rate him as high as others yet... but it's very clear that Rodgers doesn't seem to rate him. The fact that he is persisting with Lovren after the amount of errors and goals he cost us last season... clearly shows he has very little faith in Sakho. The Skrtel/Sakho partnership was really looking good last season & is our best option IMO.

You're assuming things. If you'd said, "Sakho performed better than Lovren last season", it would have been a better assessment.

Also, I think Skrtel and Sakho were out CB pairing for our 6-1 trouncing to Stoke last year.

[Lecter]

You're assuming things. If you'd said, "Sakho performed better than Lovren last season", it would have been a better assessment.

Also, I think Skrtel and Sakho were out CB pairing for our 6-1 trouncing to Stoke last year.

Do we take one game in isolation as the benchmark for an assessment???

[G]

Do we take one game in isolation as the benchmark for an assessment???

Yes when it suits your point .

[Gibbo]

We've got some tough fixtures coming up ending on the 31st of October with Chelsea.

Now we have 3 points, we should definately have 12 from teams in the list.

The rest (Arsenal, United, Everton, Tottenham, Southampton Chelsea) are all potential banana skins, suppose where im going with this is does anything think if we go on a poor run throughout these fixtures Brendan could be in trouble, or would the tougher nature of them give him more time.

[The Birdman]

Can had an absolute shocker alright but yeah we were hideous that day all round. Sakho is a better CB than Lovren... it's a very strange situation & I can't really see Sakho wanting to stay if this keeps up. You wouldn't blame him either.

I like Sakho, although don't rate him as high as others yet... but it's very clear that Rodgers doesn't seem to rate him. The fact that he is persisting with Lovren after the amount of errors and goals he cost us last season... clearly shows he has very little faith in Sakho. The Skrtel/Sakho partnership was really looking good last season & is our best option IMO.

Is he?
Based on last season yes, Lovren was appalling and Sakho was much better.
There must be a reason though that we signed Lovren with Sakho already at the club.

Based on the previous years performances for Southampton and the small sample size of the Stoke game last weekend Lovren played very well and looked more like the player we hoped we had signed.

To clarify I'm a big fan of Sakho but for various reasons otherwise Rodgers and others internally don't seem to think the same

[BigChief]

We've got some tough fixtures coming up ending on the 31st of October with Chelsea.

Now we have 3 points, we should definately have 12 from teams in the list.

The rest (Arsenal, United, Everton, Tottenham, Southampton Chelsea) are all potential banana skins, suppose where im going with this is does anything think if we go on a poor run throughout these fixtures Brendan could be in trouble, or would the tougher nature of them give him more time.

Funny, I was thinking that just last night.

Like I said in the Stoke build up thread, we need to relax and not worry about these tough away fixtures. We'll win some, we'll lose some and we'll see what comes out at the other side. Just focus on getting as many points at home during this period.

If given the choice I would love to draw 3 of our next 4 away games. Everton away is the game I want us to win. Obviously anything better would be great, but 3 draws and that Everton win would be fantastic. Drawing with Chelsea, Arsenal and manure would mean each of them dropping 2 important points at home. While we 'gain' 3 points from those 3 games.

Then suddenly we're in a position of strength while clubs above us have not raced away like they should have during our tough period.

[Buzzo]

What a ****in mess. We have a load players essentially brought in by other fellas, and a load brought in by the manager. The manager doesn't pick the lads brought in by the other fellas, and instead picks his own signings, many of whom have been ****e but he picks them regardless.

How is this a system that is going to work?

Madness Its a system where we are endorsing 2 different transfer strategies.

Maybe we can arrange a bounce game where a B-Dawg XI plays a Committee XI?

To the winner goes the spoils.

[Shaggy]

[danperkins]

You're assuming things. If you'd said, "Sakho performed better than Lovren last season", it would have been a better assessment.

Also, I think Skrtel and Sakho were out CB pairing for our 6-1 trouncing to Stoke last year.

No i'm simply saying based on performances for LFC and having adequate eyesight... Sakho is a better CB than Lovren.

Why on earth would you take one game to use for argument? It was an anomaly and everyone had a giant mare.

[Buzzo]

No i'm simply saying based on performances for LFC and having adequate eyesight... Sakho is a better CB than Lovren.

Why on earth would you take one game to use for argument? It was an anomaly and everyone had a giant mare.

All you needed last season was 2 functioning eyes and a rudimentary understanding of football to figure out that Sakho is miles better than Lovren.

The Stoke game was a real low water mark for all concerned, but I'd say Brendan leaving Can at right back until half time, by which time we were 5 down was the route cause of it. He made a mistake with that line up, and he did not react quickly enough to fix it. Any good manager should have the balls to make a tactical alteration in the first half. Why wait?

[danperkins]

Is he?
Based on last season yes, Lovren was appalling and Sakho was much better.
There must be a reason though that we signed Lovren with Sakho already at the club.

Based on the previous years performances for Southampton and the small sample size of the Stoke game last weekend Lovren played very well and looked more like the player we hoped we had signed.

To clarify I'm a big fan of Sakho but for various reasons otherwise Rodgers and others internally don't seem to think the same

This is the thing with this Lovren was great at Southampton shout...he wasn't! He done well the first 6 games if I remember correctly. He has never been a top CB for club and certainly not for country.

I remember when Carra & Neville where on sky and they where saying at the start of last season that Lovren was a great signing and had a great season for Southampton etc, then not 3 or 4 months later they both basically retracted their initial statement and then highlighted a video showing Lovren doing exactly the same things and making exactly the same mistakes at Southampton as he has been for us. Made them both look like idiots, especially the fact that they were both top class defenders. It's a myth, like this Lovren is an organiser myth. I think we can clearly see that the main man in that defence ,was Fonte.

Anyways sure it's only fair to judge him since he's been at LFC. Comparing his performances vs Sakho.... well there is no comparison really. Sakho is far from perfect and has been unlucky with injury, but he has proven in his game time at LFC to be a better CB than Lovren. I thought this was the general consensus?

I thought Lovren had a decent game vs Stoke and credit where it is due, but he made a few mistakes, same as Skrtel. We were just lucky we didn't get punished for them. If Lovren continues to play well for another 10-15+ games then absolutely fantastic, every single LFC supporters will be delighted!! But playing well vs Dortmund last pre season & a decent showing vs Stoke are what pretty much all the positives we can take from his time at LFC. Whereas Sakho although dodgy at times, has been fairly solid and dependable for the most part of his time at LFC.

But yeah Rodgers clearly doesn't rate him. I really hope that Lovren proves us all wrong and i'll be more than happy to give him praise but IMO it's only a matter of time before he costs us a goal and starts getting punished for individual mistakes.

[danperkins]

All you needed last season was 2 functioning eyes and a rudimentary understanding of football to figure out that Sakho is miles better than Lovren.

The Stoke game was a real low water mark for all concerned, but I'd say Brendan leaving Can at right back until half time, by which time we were 5 down was the route cause of it. He made a mistake with that line up, and he did not react quickly enough to fix it. Any good manager should have the balls to make a tactical alteration in the first half. Why wait?

completely agree. That's the thing I hoped more than anything this season, that Rodgers can identify tactical mistakes and personnel issues that bit sooner and sort them out.