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    A critique of us under Bren so far by @zonalmarking

    Focus on philosophy hardly a factor in Liverpool's progress
    Posted by Michael Cox


    For a club frequently mocked by rivals because of its supporters' supposedly unrealistic expectations, it's been surprisingly tough to ascertain Liverpool's Premier League objective during the past three seasons.

    The 2009-10 campaign saw Liverpool finish seventh, a drop from second the previous season. In the modern-day English top division, with all of its financial inequalities, top sides rarely fall (or rise) so significantly within one season. When combined with Manchester City's new wealth and Tottenham's re-emergence as a genuine contender for the Champions League places, it was a significant blow from which the club has yet to recover. Liverpool finished eighth last season and appears set for seventh this campaign.

    Getting tough matches out of the way early has worked in Brendan Rodgers' favor, who is picking up easy victories as the fixture winds down.

    Each season, it has been difficult to form a consensus about the club's target. When Roy Hodgson took over in 2010, Liverpool had no more than an outside chance of finishing in the Champions League places. When Kenny Dalglish splashed out on English talent, the top four still appeared unlikely. Brendan Rodgers inherited a similar situation last summer. So, especially with the Europa League now regarded as a questionable reward, what was Liverpool playing for?

    The key this season, more than Liverpool's final league position, or performance in cup competitions (which compensated for Dalglish's poor league finish last season), was obvious signs of improvement. Hodgson was a veteran coach who appeared to be a "minding the shop" appointment rather than a long-term choice, while Dalglish was a returning legend but wasn't going to drag Liverpool into the modern era.

    Rodgers is different: He's young, he's media-friendly, he gushes about the current Barcelona and Dortmund sides who have built excellent teams from the bottom up.

    Few current managers are as insistent upon a "philosophy" as Rodgers. At Swansea, he was utterly committed to ball retention, a successful strategy that resulted in an inexperienced group of players finishing solidly in midtable. Their stylish dominance of individual matches often appeared more important to Rodgers than the result, with the Northern Irishman aware of his potential to jump into a bigger job at the end of the season. Swansea was superb the first few times you watched it, then grew gradually more frustrating -- the team is significantly more efficient with Michael Laudrup's insistence upon more direct football.

    The talk of a "philosophy" is strongly linked to the view that coaches should be given time at a football club. A philosophy is grander than "tactics" or "strategy," implying a complete revolution in terms of fundamental concepts. By casting himself as such an ideologue, it was easy for Rodgers to excuse early poor results and direct attention to possession statistics, insisting that Liverpool was learning a new style of play. His two major signings were technical players who understood, and had appreciated, his coaching style at former clubs. Joe Allen and Fabio Borini are probably not the individuals to take Liverpool back into the top four, but might have set an example to the rest of the group.

    Liverpool's early fixtures this season were dreadful. Preseason, there was speculation about whether Liverpool would collect a single win from its opening five matches. In the end, it didn't. For Rodgers, this unquestionably was a difficult period: Even such a confident man would have been intimidated by the pressure of collecting a first win.

    However, such a difficult fixture list played into Rodgers' hands wonderfully. Every club plays the same 19 sides home and away, and by facing the big clubs first, Rodgers could emphasize the importance of his "project." Was a 2-2 result against Manchester City more promising than, say, a scrappy 1-0 win over Norwich? Probably. Points were lacking in significance this season, and Rodgers is being judged on what he might achieve in the future, not on what he's currently doing.

    By suffering at the start of the campaign, Liverpool is enjoying an easier end. Only two of its final nine games are against top-half sides -- Chelsea and Everton -- and both are at Anfield. The pattern of Liverpool's season has been about convincing performances against minnows but struggles against top opposition, so this is the period when Liverpool should be picking up easy victories and proving it's on an upward curve and carrying momentum into next season.

    So here is the question: Has Liverpool actually gotten any better this season? Two consecutive 0-0 draws against West Ham and Reading have been a setback, but again, not decisive in terms of Liverpool's achievements this season because points are of little consequence. Against Reading on Saturday, in Rodgers' terms, Liverpool was superb: They dominated possession, they "won" the shots count 26-6, and they forced Alex McCarthy into one of the most remarkable goalkeeping displays of the season. Rodgers spent most of his postmatch news conference praising McCarthy (whom he'd known in his brief spell at Reading) -- the implication, of course, was that Liverpool had played brilliantly.

    But isn't this precisely what Liverpool was doing under Dalglish? Dominating games, leaving its supporters complaining about the woodwork, goalkeeper heroics and marginal offside decisions? As frustrating as the continual near-misses is the insistence from Liverpool's manager that everything is going swimmingly. Rodgers is a relentless optimist, and in time that will serve the club well, but there must come a point when he finally snaps and insists, no, it's not enough to dominate games without winning. The most successful sides pick up points they don't truly deserve, not the reverse.

    Oddly, Liverpool have a habit of winning games comfortably: 4-0, 3-0, 3-0, 5-0, 5-0, 4-0 in the past four months. The Reds also have a habit of not turning up: 3-1 defeats to Stoke, Aston Villa and Southampton, all bottom-half clubs.

    Crucially, Rodgers' attacking options are significantly stronger than at the start of the campaign, when he was forced to depend upon Suso (surely at least two seasons away from being ready) and Raheem Sterling (technically and physically ready, but precisely the type of player who mentally needs to be eased into the first team). The immediate impact of both Daniel Sturridge and Coutinho, who both impressed within their first two appearances, has been crucial in demonstrating progress.

    Luis Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho are all highly versatile attackers, while Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing, two men revived by Rodgers (although they've just returned to somewhere approaching the form that convinced Dalglish to sign them) also have been used in various roles. It's difficult to predict precisely where they'll play in any given match. It can confuse the opposition; it can also confuse Liverpool.

    Brendan Rodgers' attacking options are much stronger at this point thanks to Coutinho, left, and Daniel Sturridge (in orange jersey).
    Again, this is something that happened under Dalglish. Suarez was played upfront, then off Andy Carroll. Downing was used on the left of a three, then the right of a four, and so on. Liverpool used 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1. The inconsistency was infuriating.

    Rodgers is still at the stage of hopeful experimentation. In Saturday's draw at Reading, Henderson spent most of the game to the left, but Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge were given license to rotate on the right. Patterns of play became clear: A consistent theme was Sturridge darting into the middle from the right, then Suarez running around into the space created when Reading left back Stephen Kelly was dragged inside. The majority of chances came from this method.

    But then Rodgers spoiled things. Introducing Downing for Henderson shouldn't have been a problem, as Downing's natural position is in the left-sided midfield role Henderson was playing. But Rodgers meddled: Coutinho came to the left, Downing went to the right. Suarez and Sturridge were now up front together.

    Liverpool had further chances and should have won. But again, two points wouldn't have made much difference -- Rodgers' focus is on the future. Wouldn't it have been better to persist with a strategy that looked consistently dangerous?

    Some scoffed at Rodgers' intention to bring a new passing style to Liverpool this season. Dalglish played passing football, they claimed; Liverpool has been playing passing football for decades. That's true, but misses the point. Every top club passes the ball.

    It's far more complex than that: What initially appears to be sporadic brilliance from fluid Barcelona players given freedom of movement are actually rehearsed patterns. They work beautifully because players are regularly deployed in the same positions and have formed reliable combinations. That's what Rodgers is supposed to be building, but his constant switches -- both in the format of the midfield triangle, and the positioning of the attacking players -- are holding Liverpool back.

    Liverpool has improved during the course of the campaign, but mainly because of £22 million worth of extra attacking talent, and the quirks of Liverpool's fixture list, rather than a significantly increased understanding of Rodgers' style.

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      name one successful club that doesn't change shape when it's not working for them. i don't see "inconsistency" as a problem for us at all. i think it's weird to be pointed out that way.
      dave of mutilation

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        So if I read the article right Rodgers was lucky, no damned lucky, the fixture list came to his aid. Or he would have been truly exposed as the disruptive meddler he is.

        Riiiiggghhht! Gotcha.
        One tit for another.

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          I thought the more common criticism of Rodgers was that he 'doesnt have a plan B' as for the tactics used against west ham or reading, they were fine we dominated both games, no amount of tactical changes would have made the difference in those games because it all came down to individuals not being able to finish some great chances.
          Y.N.W.A!!!!!!

          "There are two great teams on Merseyside; Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves." - Bill Shankly

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            What was the minimum requirement for Rodgers this season?

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              To not bite anyone.
              Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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                To put his stamp on a team that he has inherited, add to that squad and hope to challenge the European spots. A cup run would have been nice, but really this season, I wanted to see an improvement on the pitch and to finish above Everton.

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                  to lose 3 stone.
                  dave of mutilation

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                    Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
                    To not bite anyone.
                    .
                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                    May the Lord bless this post.

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                      Next season and this summer is Rodgers big test, he has to deliver next season.

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                        I reckon he'll still be tweaking next year. We might see some draws turning into wins, but I think we'll still lack consistency - an assault on the top four and keeping pace until the final few weeks would be an achievement.

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                          Originally posted by Muddled View Post
                          I reckon he'll still be tweaking next year. We might see some draws turning into wins, but I think we'll still lack consistency - an assault on the top four and keeping pace until the final few weeks would be an achievement.
                          We all know what you mean but what if Suárez gets the wrong idea?
                          .
                          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                          May the Lord bless this post.

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                            rip the top four
                            dave of mutilation

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                              Originally posted by G View Post
                              A critique of us under Bren so far by @zonalmarking



                              http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tactic...ogress?cc=5739
                              Dreadful article. Showed up near the start with one sentence: "The 2009-10 campaign saw Liverpool finish seventh, a drop from second the previous season. In the modern-day English top division, with all of its financial inequalities, top sides rarely fall (or rise) so significantly within one season"

                              In the modern-day English top division, with all of its financial inequalities, top sides rarely are pushed to within a day of administration by bankrupt (financially and morally) owners. To not point out that we've had a dramatic fall as a result of the fire sales of Hicks and Gillett and are building our way back up again is very disingenuous when considering the impact of a manager, or our last two managers.

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                                I think the point he is making is that there are no obvious parallels. The H&G scenario really has nothing to do with that. What caused our calamitous fall is pretty much irrelevant to how we have to proceed from here (other than the obvious - we shouldn't let charlatans and asset strippers take over the club again). The point is that in many ways we are, and are perceived as, a big club but we haven't had the squad or performances to back that up for several seasons.

                                I think most people are still a bit uncertain about Rodgers. The January signings were good but failed to address some important issues, the summer signings have not had a consistent impact. Our squad still in some ways has the same failings as under Dalglish - we tend to concede cheap goals on the break and from crosses and we don't score enough from the dominance we have in games on a regular basis.

                                On the flip side I think we have shown a more consistent shape and game plan. We pretty obviously have no well functioning plan B and I think the criticism of Rodgers recent changes has some weight. He may well be figuring out what works though - so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (which he no doubt appreciates).
                                "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                                -- William Blake

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